There are too many foreigners taking US pilot jobs. There is no shortage of pilots in the US and never has been since the 1960's. There are thousands of educated, experienced professional pilots on furlough but the airlines still collude with the government to issue work permits of various sorts to foreign pilots. This helps to keep wage pressures low.
I would like it if you could name at least one US airline who sponsors work visas for foreign pilots to come work here as regional/mainline pilots. I think people like playing the blame game. "Let's blame those Indian/Chinese #$%^&* for me not being able to get a job at the majors." C'mon, guys...
It still doesn't give them the right to come over here for our jobs. They need to stay and get a job in their own country.
Pretty ignorant comment, especially considering the many expat US Pilots that are working in other countries. You talk like non functional illegal immigrants take the pilot jobs. If given the same opportunity growing up, why would a company take a less qualified US Citizen over a more qualified LEGAL immigrant who chances are will be a US citizen eventually. If that were the case in the 1700s I guess only Native Americans could be pilots...
As with the Flight Academies, their "foreign" students can't work here unless they have a green card. In Fact those foreign students probably put the bread and butter in a lot of CFIs tables in the last 3 years.
As for your definition of "foreigner" Texas pilot, I hope you don't mean anyone that doesn't have a last name of Smith.
As with the Flight Academies, their "foreign" students can't work here unless they have a green card. In Fact those foreign students probably put the bread and butter in a lot of CFIs tables in the last 3 years.
They used to put the bread and butter on my table, that's for sure.
I have to agree with rickair. How is it fair that they can come over here and work but we can't go over there? Just another example of how we (The US) lets everyone take advantage of us.
How do you spell ignorance?
Look on every pilot job board and you as an american can work overseas. A lot easier than a foreigner coming to the USA. Fact is that unless you have a work permit or green card or a US Passport you cannot get a job here. Sure you can get a work permit if you are a doctor/professional under the NAFTA agreement but it doesn't include pilots.
The canadian work rules are the same as the US. You need the right to work.
The only way the US is being taken advantage of is that foreign countries are stealing our well trained pilots.
All these big flight academies are a big reason for the problem. They import these foriegners by getting them visas and the permission to come here. It's how all these schools stay in business.
You are so far off with this logic. China sends thousands of pilots to train in this country, in return the US gets.
About $100,000 per student for the school
Money spent by the student into the economy while attending
Airplanes are needed for this training, more money for economy
Instructors are needed, more jobs mean more money being spent by
instructor.
Chinese kid now goes back to China to fly for their airline. Airline grows
and buy planes from the US for their growing airline.
I have to WHOLEHEARTEDLY disagree with rickair777 and texaspilot76.
Before I continue with my rant, which other country other than the United States have you turned in an application for work at an airline and been turned down? Your arguments hold no water at all.......and as a matter of fact, it is a whole lot easier for American pilots to gain employment outside the United States than it would be for a foreigner to make it into the industry here.
First off, there is no airline in the United States that sponsors foreign individuals to obtain visas to work as crew at a 121 carrier. USCIS will not let that happen because there is an abundance of pilots that hold citizenship and can take on those jobs.
And besides all that, in order to get hired on as a pilot with any US carrier, you must have Permanent Residence Status or a work permit at the very least.
On the other hand, I can name airlines like, Etihad, Emirates, Ethiopian, Air Deccan, Air Asia to name but a few that have hired American pilots without demanding work permits. I say this with all confidence because I personally applied to a few of the above. The above carriers are the real reason that you had movement in the industry in the US. Senior Captains at the majors here lured by big tax free pay and they flooded the middle East and Asia and that was the reason that the majors here were able to hire Regional Captains and so the regionals went into a hiring frenzy.....and so on and so forth.
Take some time and look at the job postings on various websites and you will not fail to find foreign carriers seeking american pilots. Once you meet the requirements, they will take you in and sponsor you for a visa and what not.
I am just dumbfounded that there is such ignorance in the field of aviation. The field of aviation by it's very nature is supposed to provide exposure to even the most close minded, but obviously such is not the case.
And based on what texaspilot76 is spewing......... we have a long way to go. I guess you just can't take Texas out of some people. And I can't believe you are blaming the foreign students that come to these big flight schools......I take it you either ditched economics in high school or you just don't get it!
Are you going to start kicking paying customers off your flights because they are taking up seats that could be occupied by american citizens? Oh my God, I just can't believe it..........
I have to WHOLEHEARTEDLY disagree with rickair777 and texaspilot76.
Before I continue with my rant, which other country other than the United States have you turned in an application for work at an airline and been turned down? Your arguments hold no water at all.......and as a matter of fact, it is a whole lot easier for American pilots to gain employment outside the United States than it would be for a foreigner to make it into the industry here.
First off, there is no airline in the United States that sponsors foreign individuals to obtain visas to work as crew at a 121 carrier. USCIS will not let that happen because there is an abundance of pilots that hold citizenship and can take on those jobs.
And besides all that, in order to get hired on as a pilot with any US carrier, you must have Permanent Residence Status or a work permit at the very least.
On the other hand, I can name airlines like, Etihad, Emirates, Ethiopian, Air Deccan, Air Asia to name but a few that have hired American pilots without demanding work permits. I say this with all confidence because I personally applied to a few of the above. The above carriers are the real reason that you had movement in the industry in the US. Senior Captains at the majors here lured by big tax free pay and they flooded the middle East and Asia and that was the reason that the majors here were able to hire Regional Captains and so the regionals went into a hiring frenzy.....and so on and so forth.
Take some time and look at the job postings on various websites and you will not fail to find foreign carriers seeking american pilots. Once you meet the requirements, they will take you in and sponsor you for a visa and what not.
I am just dumbfounded that there is such ignorance in the field of aviation. The field of aviation by it's very nature is supposed to provide exposure to even the most close minded, but obviously such is not the case. And based on what texaspilot76 is spewing......... we have a long way to go. I guess you just can't take Texas out of some people.
Very well said. The US does not sponsor visas to foreign pilots but many airlines out of the US will sponsor visas to US pilots.
You don't have to be a citizen to work in a US airline. I wasn't born in the US but have been here since 1997. I am a permanent resident (have a green card) and pay the same taxes that US citizens pay without being able to vote or get any kind of social services or social benefits. I have an american ex-wife, a 5 year old son and an american girlfriend. Sometimes people (like me) come here to study, you meet someone and things happen. Everyone is not in this country to take jobs away from US citizens.
Foreigners can't come here to take US jobs unless an employer sponsor visas to them. USCIS requires employers to advertise and hire foreigners if they can't find qualified employees in the US. If you get an employment visa in the US, you get to stay here for 3 years. After 3 years, you have to get the same paperwork done again and at the employer's discretion you get to work for another 3 years. After working for 5 years in the US (and paying taxes), you can apply for a permanent residency if your employer is willing to file the paperwork on your behalf. This is the reason why airlines look for applicants that have their permanent residency or paperwork pending for permanent residency. They don't want to pay thousands of dollars of flight training to find out the person you trained has to leave the country in a month. It is a pain to sponsor a US visa for a foreign pilot and most companies don't want to deal with the hassle.
Now if we are talking about illegal immigrants taking jobs in this country, that is a whole different story.
As with the Flight Academies, their "foreign" students can't work here unless they have a green card. In Fact those foreign students probably put the bread and butter in a lot of CFIs tables in the last 3 years.
You don't necessarily need to have a green card. You can work on a college visa to gain experience needed towards a degree. I worked as a flight instructor on a college visa to get 1000 hours as a CFI to get 36 credits towards my Bachelor's degree. The downside is that you have to go to school, pay tuition out of pocket and work as a flight instructor at the same time.
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