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Old 06-20-2009, 12:33 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Pretty quiet lately in the rumor department. I've heard rumblings that CAL wants to reduce our flying further but haven't seen anything concrete to support those rumors. Charter has been doing reasonably well since most of the big contracts are college teams and NASCAR. There are about 10 airplanes doing United Express flying out of ORD and IAD for the next month or so. There is some hope that this temporary United stuff could lead to a more permanent contract but given UAL's history with us and current mantra of "lowest cost at any price" I am not holding my breath. Still have about 300-350 on furlough with no word on more furloughs. That may change depending on how the block hours change in the fall with CAL.
doesn't anyone remember the flying expressjet did for United last year...it didn't turn into anything long term last year, what's the difference now?
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Old 06-20-2009, 02:07 PM   #12 (permalink)
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doesn't anyone remember the flying expressjet did for United last year...it didn't turn into anything long term last year, what's the difference now?

The thinking is, When United (I have heard not if, but when) files for Bankruptcy they will re-evaluate a lot of their expensive feed via CPA's with RAH & SKW, hack up some of those CPA's and use the new low cost feed................XJT
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hack up some of those CPA's and use the new low cost feed................XJT
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you emb 190 pilots are too good for us 50 seat guys right.... haha PAYRATE
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The thinking is, When United (I have heard not if, but when) files for Bankruptcy they will re-evaluate a lot of their expensive feed via CPA's with RAH & SKW, hack up some of those CPA's and use the new low cost feed................XJT
Thats assuming UAL goes into BK, and the UAL brand/logo survive the BK this time around with the change in BK laws.

Funny, when UAL was in BK before, RAH was able to underbid and SKW was able to get their costs down at the expense of the other two existing UAX carriers. If it happens again, well, it's just history repeating itself.

People at our company want a long term deal with UAL, and of course more flying is always better. But I wonder if they realize how truly crappy it can be when your company is a contract vendor for UAL.
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The thinking is, When United (I have heard not if, but when) files for Bankruptcy they will re-evaluate a lot of their expensive feed via CPA's with RAH & SKW, hack up some of those CPA's and use the new low cost feed................XJT
RAH won't be flying any 50 seat RJs for United after this year. They are already coming out of service.
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RAH won't be flying any 50 seat RJs for United after this year. They are already coming out of service.
Doesn't mean that 70 seat operators would be exempt from a cost cutting measure.
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Doesn't mean that 70 seat operators would be exempt from a cost cutting measure.
You think that a 70 seater is less efficient than a 50 seater?
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You think that a 70 seater is less efficient than a 50 seater?
Nope, didn't say that. Can you show me where I did?

I'll repeat it;

Doesn't mean that 70 seat operators would be exempt from a cost cutting measure.

More than likely, 50 seat feed is going to be cut. 70 seat feed may be also, may be expanded. But to clarify the above, if it comes down to a BK AGAIN, doesn't mean that UAL won't play the existing carriers against each other, AGAIN. If 70 seat carrier A is able to reduce cost below 70 seat carrier B, who's going to get the flying? Who's going to lose flying?

Make sense?
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