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Old 06-30-2009, 03:09 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I heard we will probably start hiring again in the next 6 months.

Just curious if that is another random rumor/guess or if you heard it from someone who actually knows what is going on?
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Old 06-30-2009, 03:16 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Just curious if that is another random rumor/guess or if you heard it from someone who actually knows what is going on?
my buddy over there said with all the cutbacks this fall skywest will be furloughing. Management wants to look like they are putting up a good fight and trying their best to keep everyone on property, but they still have a business to run and having people you dont need isn't good business.

pinchanickle is also losing a lot of hours this fall. they have already told the union the hours and we just had an loa come out for part time lines. The MEC said it looked like to them and the company we are about 50-100 heavy and if the part time lines dont work we will furlough also. I am pretty sure that if you are a regional and you fly for delta there is a good chance you will be furloughing this fall. RAH has guys on the street. ASA has already done it. Comair has been doing it. Mesaba is about to do it. We all know the Freedom situation. I really dont see skywest and pinnacle being the only ones that dont.
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Old 06-30-2009, 03:32 PM   #53 (permalink)
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When things do get better (i.e. skywest clears their pool and any furloughs if they do furlough) do the ASA furloughees have any advantage over off the street new hires? I've heard we can transfer between the two companies.

If skywest does end up short somehow (doubtful in this economy) I hope they at least offer jobs to those furloughed at ASA. I know we are kind of the red headed step child to them but it would be nice since we are all kind of on the same "team"
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Old 06-30-2009, 04:23 PM   #54 (permalink)
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since we are all kind of on the same "team"
The two ASA pilots I shared a hotel van with last week certainly didn't see it that way! Anyhow...

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When things do get better (i.e. skywest clears their pool and any furloughs if they do furlough) do the ASA furloughees have any advantage over off the street new hires? I've heard we can transfer between the two companies.
FWIW, there was an ex-ASA pilot in my class a couple years ago. I remember him having the highest seniority in the class because he was coming from ASA. Because of this, I had the impression he may have also been granted some kind of preference during the hiring process, but I cannot confirm that.
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Old 06-30-2009, 04:32 PM   #55 (permalink)
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I heard we will probably start hiring again in the next 6 months.
Impossible. If we hire it won't be until next spring and I don't expect it then as well.

Funny how you've never been right.
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Old 06-30-2009, 04:38 PM   #56 (permalink)
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my buddy over there said with all the cutbacks this fall skywest will be furloughing. Management wants to look like they are putting up a good fight and trying their best to keep everyone on property, but they still have a business to run and having people you dont need isn't good business.

pinchanickle is also losing a lot of hours this fall. they have already told the union the hours and we just had an loa come out for part time lines. The MEC said it looked like to them and the company we are about 50-100 heavy and if the part time lines dont work we will furlough also. I am pretty sure that if you are a regional and you fly for delta there is a good chance you will be furloughing this fall. RAH has guys on the street. ASA has already done it. Comair has been doing it. Mesaba is about to do it. We all know the Freedom situation. I really dont see skywest and pinnacle being the only ones that dont.
You're buddy's misinformed and I remember you posting a long time ago that he said furloughs were coming but yet nothing …………… no offence so please don’t take any ............ just saying.

There will be no furloughs since we still have lots of guys willing to take VLOA's and we haven't even touch PTL's yet. Currently we are fat on the list but not on line. People can say what they will but I've been preaching this for almost 2 years now and still no furloughs. Unless UAL or DAL decides to cut us back beyond our contractual mins then all bets are off.
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:01 PM   #57 (permalink)
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I am not complaining. I gladly took the job at SkyWest knowing full well why my first year pay would be what it was. In an industry where the economic reality is razor thin profit margins, I only ask that everybody carry their own weight. The sum total of the organization can only be profitable if the individual parts each contribute in a positive way.

In my opinion, it is a little out of balance to ask me or any other pilot, flight attendant, ramper, gate agent, etc. or any other SkyWest employee to "finance" (lower salary, lower quarterly bonus, lower stock price, etc.) the flight training for someone else. Anyway, this is all a moot point. As it was explained above, they do get paid 1st year pay from SkyWest and it is up to UAL ALPA to pay the rest.

I would assume that mainline pilots would not take the job at SkyWest if they did not want it or could not afford it.

In reality, I don't think most mainline pilots would take the job anyway. All the guys I know who left SkyWest to go to United and got promptly furloughed are all now employed in non-aviation related fields making much more money than they did flying airplanes for SkyWest and/or United and they are home every night. They are not coming back to SkyWest and will very likely not go back to United.
I'm sorry, but it does sound like you are complaining rather than being happy for someone that doesn't have to live through first year pay at SKW. Also, keep in mind that despite what you say about the industry, SKW still has almost three quarters of a billion dollars sitting in the bank and using it to buy foreign airlines. Seems like the employees have been more than carrying their own wait for a long time to build up that kitty only for it to be used for something else.

In my opinion, it is a little out of balance to ask you or any other pilot, flight attendant, ramper, gate agent, etc. or any other SkyWest employee to "finance" the company for someone else. Good for the union to help their fellow UAL pilots.

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No point in even discussing stapling or DOH...federal law now requires alleghany-mohawk procedures...regardless of union status.
Actually, theoretically there can be stapling or DOH despite the new law. As long as the DOH or stapling was considered fair and equitable either through negotiations or arbitration.
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You're buddy's misinformed and I remember you posting a long time ago that he said furloughs were coming but yet nothing …………… no offence so please don’t take any ............ just saying.

There will be no furloughs since we still have lots of guys willing to take VLOA's and we haven't even touch PTL's yet. Currently we are fat on the list but not on line. People can say what they will but I've been preaching this for almost 2 years now and still no furloughs. Unless UAL or DAL decides to cut us back beyond our contractual mins then all bets are off.
yeah he said that the furlough were coming in feb. That was because the winter flying was so cut back and there was no light at the end of the tunnel. but skywest like pinnacle got their summer hours and realized they would need to hold on to the pilots a little bit longer. the cut backs we all saw last winter are nothing compared to what is coming.
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the cut backs we all saw last winter are nothing compared to what is coming.
I don't agree with that.
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Actually, theoretically there can be stapling or DOH despite the new law. As long as the DOH or stapling was considered fair and equitable either through negotiations or arbitration.
Theoretically, yes but no staple would ever be considered equitable unless it was something like Great Lakes being stapled to FDX.

DOH is very unlikely to be equitable either unless two merged airlines were exactly equal in fleet composition, DOH demographics, and growth expectations.
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