all I am saying is we all saw how much flying was cut back last winter. Well Delta has already announced another 10 percent reduction ontop of what they have already done. Just google delta and cuts and look at all the cities delta is either pulling out of all together or cutting the service to those airports way back. The cities being reduced are not the big ones. They are cities like Ashville, Paducah, Dubuque, etc etc. Those are cities the regionals fly to. Sure they are cutting some international stuff too but regionals will not be left untouched. And with mesa winning its injunction that flying is obviously not up for grabs anymore.
Theoretically, yes but no staple would ever be considered equitable unless it was something like Great Lakes being stapled to FDX.
DOH is very unlikely to be equitable either unless two merged airlines were exactly equal in fleet composition, DOH demographics, and growth expectations.
Exactly my point. I think that people are under the impression that the new law doesn't allow it. Fair and equitable is whatever is decided upon through negotiations amongst the pilot groups or the decision of a neutral arbitrator. There is no "formula" called out in the new law as you alluded to in another thread.
Exactly my point. I think that people are under the impression that the new law doesn't allow it. Fair and equitable is whatever is decided upon through negotiations amongst the pilot groups or the decision of a neutral arbitrator. There is no "formula" called out in the new law as you alluded to in another thread.
The pilot groups can agree to anything they want...if they think a staple is fair, they can accept that. But if there is no agreement, then the law requires fair and equitable.
The pilot groups can agree to anything they want...if they think a staple is fair, they can accept that. But if there is no agreement, then the law requires fair and equitable.
Yes, and in that case an arbitrator decides whether a staple, DOH, or other "formula" is fair and equitable. My point is that an arbitrator has the authority to decide what is fair and equitable, including staples!
Yes, and in that case an arbitrator decides whether a staple, DOH, or other "formula" is fair and equitable. My point is that an arbitrator has the authority to decide what is fair and equitable, including staples!
No arbitrator would do something that ridiculous...it's better than what we had, where an organization like AMR could just do whatever they pleased.
I still sleep better knowing it's out there...cheaper than a merger fund too
The government actually did something right by us...hard to believe I know, but it is a good thing.
And if the law was misapplied by a rogue arbitrator, the law would still provide the high ground for an appeal or lawsuit.
I'm not saying it wasn't a good law. I'm just saying that the law doesn't define fair and equitable because it leaves it to the pilot groups or arbitrator to decide. I don't see what basis a pilot group would have for a lawsuit if the didn't like the aribitrator's award. We saw some of that in the Nic award.
As for a merger fund, there will still be negotiations by each respective pilot group and each has to pay for the arbitrator if there is no agreement. Someone has to pay for that and it certainly wont be the government that is going to do that. It will either come from a merger fund or from whatever the MEC has as extra money (SMRA account in an ALPA MEC example).
Waveit I heard something similar at my PC. Except GB stated we wouldn't be doing any sort of jets for jobs type deal with united because as soon as they came over here they'd be furloughed because we're so overstaffed. (basically moving from one furlough list to another).
What I was told is that they would only be hired IF we needed them. IF we got short again they would be the first ones hired. Not that we would hire them even though we were overstaffed. That was the agreement as it was told to me.
What I was told is that they would only be hired IF we needed them. IF we got short again they would be the first ones hired. Not that we would hire them even though we were overstaffed. That was the agreement as it was told to me.
Hey Wavit,
That red fruity beverage they serve at those company meetings is super tasty but it's not good for your mental health. It would be really nice to see some of these rumors come to fruition though.
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