RAH considered XJT, EGL, CMR - Page 3

TillerEnvy · 07-01-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SpiraMirabilis

And RAH has over 2 billion in debt. Granted they have much more cash which is the important thing.

I bet if Mesa ran an Embraer shop RAH would have bought them. I don't think they want to acquire any more CRJ products.

Not a chance in hell RAH would ever even consider Mesa..no matter the product they fly. An absolute disaster.

eaglefly · 07-01-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mason32

Each and every pilot in the regional industry is GROSSLY underpaid, and suffering from terrible working conditions....

This statement is not true. I don't conisder myself underpaid let alone GROSSLY underpaid, but then again I have seniority which means eferything in pay and "working conditions".

10K/month+ while getting dollar for dollar match on a 401(k) which is good nowadays ANYWHERE, not to mention 14-18 dys off per month and I've not been junior manned in 10 years. There are HUNDREDS above me at Eagle in the same boat and I'm sure many of the other established RJ regionals have many captains with 10+ years and are pretty happy.

Again, it's probably true a technical MAJORITY are what you say, but the above statement isn't true.

husky16 · 07-01-2009, 07:03 PM

Eaglefly- do u realize that you and the hundreds above u are the problem at the regional level? Regionals are not meant to make a career at. When the majors hire again are you going to go or u too comfy with ur gig? AMR and Delta are trying to get u guys to quit or move on by closing bases and offering early outs. There is nothing worse than seeing a crusty old captain at a regional. When movement starts u guys better start moving. If their not paying u guys 6 figures than maybe they can pay more to the majority ur talking about. Move on. If ur not moving forward you are moving backwards. Now, if the majors started hiring...

320ToBearz · 07-01-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by eaglefly

This statement is not true. I don't conisder myself underpaid let alone GROSSLY underpaid, but then again I have seniority which means eferything in pay and "working conditions".

10K/month+ while getting dollar for dollar match on a 401(k) which is good nowadays ANYWHERE, not to mention 14-18 dys off per month and I've not been junior manned in 10 years. There are HUNDREDS above me at Eagle in the same boat and I'm sure many of the other established RJ regionals have many captains with 10+ years and are pretty happy.

Again, it's probably true a technical MAJORITY are what you say, but the above statement isn't true.

So then I take it the focus of Eagle ALPA will be the bad FO wages when the contract finally ends since you seem happy with your 145/700 rates? AMR has consistently gone after the 401k in the last two negotiating windows and I am sure they will go after it in the new contract. Good luck.

nigelcobalt · 07-01-2009, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by husky16

Eaglefly- do u realize that you and the hundreds above u are the problem at the regional level? Regionals are not meant to make a career at. When the majors hire again are you going to go or u too comfy with ur gig? AMR and Delta are trying to get u guys to quit or move on by closing bases and offering early outs. There is nothing worse than seeing a crusty old captain at a regional. When movement starts u guys better start moving. If their not paying u guys 6 figures than maybe they can pay more to the majority ur talking about. Move on. If ur not moving forward you are moving backwards. Now, if the majors started hiring...

I disagree with this. Generally speaking, regionals are stepping stones, but some regionals offer a great qol and pay for senior captains. Who wouldn't be happy working 3 locals each week that pay 7 hours each, live in base and make well over 100k yr? Now, I myself would like to move on to greener pastures, but if I get stuck at a nice regional there sure are greater tragedies in the world than that.

When the majors start hiring, it's true, there will be many regional captains who will pass. They will be too entrenched in their current position. 99% of the guys I fly with have no plans of moving on. Majors will need to sweeten the deal or drop the pic requirement in order to fill seats when the next boom hits.

Utah · 07-01-2009, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by husky16

Eaglefly- do u realize that you and the hundreds above u are the problem at the regional level? Regionals are not meant to make a career at. When the majors hire again are you going to go or u too comfy with ur gig? AMR and Delta are trying to get u guys to quit or move on by closing bases and offering early outs. There is nothing worse than seeing a crusty old captain at a regional. When movement starts u guys better start moving. If their not paying u guys 6 figures than maybe they can pay more to the majority ur talking about. Move on. If ur not moving forward you are moving backwards. Now, if the majors started hiring...

Move on to what? A 70K a year paycut, reserve on the other side of the country, work every weekend and holiday for years instead of having them off, missed birthdays. Move your family or commute. Maybe he could have gone to United last year and been laid off 6-9months later.

There isn't a job at Southwest waiting for everyone when they reach 1000PIC. Just what other wonderful opportunites have been out there in the last 8 years? Even if someone wanted to change airlines it probably isn't going to happen for 2-3 years.

You don't even work at an airline Husky, yet you offer career advice to pilots that have been in the industry since you were a little kid. You're in the pool at Eagle and think he should leave so you can have a job - nice entitlement attitude.

IMHO · 07-01-2009, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by husky16

Eaglefly- do u realize that you and the hundreds above u are the problem at the regional level? Regionals are not meant to make a career at. When the majors hire again are you going to go or u too comfy with ur gig? AMR and Delta are trying to get u guys to quit or move on by closing bases and offering early outs. There is nothing worse than seeing a crusty old captain at a regional. When movement starts u guys better start moving. If their not paying u guys 6 figures than maybe they can pay more to the majority ur talking about. Move on. If ur not moving forward you are moving backwards. Now, if the majors started hiring...

Here's the big hypocrisy that runs rampant on this board...Some pound the pulpit as it were, demanding that various pilot groups demand better pay and better work rules. Some demand that the RAH pilots be paid JetBlue rates (a "mainline" carrier) Others demand this happen and that happen, and so on. But what are you asking? You're asking for pilots to make their current company a company where one can comfortably live off his or her salary. THEN you pound on them for not using that company as a stepping stone...thats crazy. If the RAH guys and girls get this industry leading contract that many so desire. Why should they be criticized for being "regional lifers" Or any pilot group for that matter. We all claim that higher pay is the pinnacle of success, yet when an Eagle guys states that he make 10 gs a month, all of a sudden he's part of the problem? I think not. He is part of the solution.