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Old 09-07-2009, 12:10 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Aren't they at least trying to make things better? If they really were feeling "sorry" for themselves, they wouldn't even bother.



So now you're saying why bother at all? They should just keep the conditions that they have? That's hardly a solution.

At least getting a real contract with real pay rates will be a step in the right direction. Hopefully it will be the first in a long series!




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Old 09-07-2009, 05:15 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Yea and you are flying continental mainline routes for 1/8th the pay and no work rules.
No, actually I'm not flying anything for Continental.
Secondly, Colgan is flying routes that are, for the most part, less than 400nm and not cost effective with a jet.
Expressjet on the other hand, is technically flying routes that belong to mainline. In the 90's your company grew at the expense of mainline jobs.

I'm not making the above point to berate, but I am sure that the Continental Pilots sitting on the sidewalk, waiting for that callback to work, may feel that your company is staffing their position at a fraction of what their pay should be.


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What is your point? Expressjet has one of the best airline contracts and 50 seat pay.
My point is your still working for a regional that is taking mainline jobs out of the industry. The best "regional" airline contract is still pale in comparison to a "mainline" airline contract.

Most mainline pilots have fought tooth and nail over the years struggling for decent pay, fair work rules, and an overall better quality of life through their working agreements. What was the point in all that effort if at the end of the day mainline companies send all their flying down the river to companies who blatantly sidestep anything remotely close to a respectable agreement in exchange for that promise of that dream job one day?

The biggest difference I've seen between the mainline level and the regional level of this industry is the complete lack of respect for your regional counterparts. Most mainline pilots are more interested in what is going on in "their house" while being as optimistic and supportive about what is going on in peers' houses. It's always easier to blame other companies for your own misfortunes I guess, however it lacks both the dignity and class that were both once a big part of this industry.
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Old 09-07-2009, 06:17 AM   #53 (permalink)
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For all you guys who are dogging Colgan, how dare you call yourselves respectable airline pilots. The biggest problem with ALPA or any other union in this fuqued up industy is he lack of support and brotherhood from FELLOW union members. Man up and support us during this important time, or keep your disdain quietly to yourself. Management is laughing at our disorganization. I'll be the first to congradulate and support ANY pilot groups fight to improve anything. Negotiations are a good thing people.
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Old 09-07-2009, 06:45 AM   #54 (permalink)
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No, actually I'm not flying anything for Continental.
Secondly, Colgan is flying routes that are, for the most part, less than 400nm and not cost effective with a jet.
Expressjet on the other hand, is technically flying routes that belong to mainline. In the 90's your company grew at the expense of mainline jobs.

I'm not making the above point to berate, but I am sure that the Continental Pilots sitting on the sidewalk, waiting for that callback to work, may feel that your company is staffing their position at a fraction of what their pay should be.
EXACTLY!.... Flying IAH-YYZ in an RJ is NOT regional flying. I just chuckle cause sometimes when I jumpseat on CO the fo is an ex XJT and complaining about them taking their flying. Im just speechless. Wait thats right were supposedly taking XJT flying when the Q's get to IAH. Which everybody knows it's going to happen. Why cant we just all get along!
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Old 09-07-2009, 07:30 AM   #55 (permalink)
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The ignorance spewing from the same 'ol Colgan-hating blowhards is comical. We're making strides towards a better future for us, and the industry, and you ignoramuses can't see the forest from the trees. But for now, continue thinking your regional isn't part of the problem....regardless of what work rules you operate under. I have news for you.....ALL regionals ARE the problem....esp, the jet operators. Any growth at the regional level is at the expense of mainline routes, with a few exceptions.....surprise, those few are almost always turboprop routes....but you haters wouldn't be able to see that either.

Stay classy Colgan haters!
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Old 09-07-2009, 08:03 AM   #56 (permalink)
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Again......

I only counted four posts out of 55 pertaining to the subject at hand. The regional pilots once again maintain their high standards of posting, both Colgan and others.
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