I did and I saw 3, Delta can't put the "Squeeze" on Skywest in SLC because of our contract, and we have been hearing this song and dance for years. First it was comair... gone, then it was ASA.... gone, then it was XJT... gone and now it is Mesaba and from what I understand they will soon be gone.
You love to bring that up every thread how mesaba is putting the "squeeze" on skywest, and It is nothing but a flame, and to be honest an airline with 100 people on furlough who are about to put another 100 people on furlough isn't putting the "Squeeze" on anyone.
Whoa there Paco...The second you say you're immune from furloughs is the second it happens. That seems to be your attitude. Remember Mesaba's attitude just a year ago? Now look at them.
Maybe the term "putting the squeeze on SKW" wasn't the best thing to say. I just think it's funny that you think you're safe from Daddy Delta. Where are you getting your info that Mesaba is going to be gone from SLC soon? Please do share your deep insight and great understanding of DCI network planning department.
Well it may annoy a lot of ppl, SKW is the most insulated DCI carrier out there. They have two contracts, and can choose what to ignore in one to help the other. They are the ones that will call BS on DAL. They can also move flying from one cert to the other as well. It is ugly for the pilots but in effect they are fighting the fight all DCI pilots are, plus an internal one.
SKW will win over ASA, it is just the way it is. They will do anything to keep SKW union free. Once that changes all bets are off.
See what you are asking is "trade secret" stuff. That is in the last 11 pages of the DCI/ASA/SKW Air Service agreement that was signed. You are not going to see that unless you sign one big ole thick NDA, and therefore we cannot talk about that. Not trying to be a jerk, but that is big stuff that will land you in court.
This table was published at the end of last year in the 10-K. What this means is that at the time of the DCI Ar Service contract expiration in 2020.
We can assume all that we want, but go look at the DCI contract. It is on the SEC website. It is a good read. Fact is that you did not get the aircraft all at once, and I would be floored if they left all at once, but this is what the last day of that contract has in terms of service.
Now, there will be amendments to that agreement. ASA's second hurdle is next fall when they get to DOS+5 on that contract. You need to be in the bottom two as it pertains to total cost. I do not see you or SKW being there. When that happens there are certain things that are spelled out and some that are not that will happen. Most likely you will see DAL tell your company that they will not be paying the leases on the jets. It will come under the responsibility of the service provider (your airline) to pay the leases to fly the jets. They will not just be transferred leases from the DAL name to ASA or SKW. What that means is that they will be more expensive. SKW Inc may balk, and say no way.
The catch 22 to all of that is then if you do not have a jet to perform the contract you are in breach and DAL can void it. (Just my assumptions after reading the public copy, but in the end that is why I would not make EV my home. I had great seniority and good pay, but I say 10 more years tops before the bottom started falling out)
Just a couple of notes here................
Skywest airlines own all their Jets or leases on them so DAL is not paying any leases on any airplanes that we fly for them. That puts us in a special situation as we always have the jets that we intend to fly in any contract we sign.
Atlanta as base for Skywest is growing (in amount of pilots and flights)even if most of the 900 flying was given to ASAs 10 new 900s..........
and, Skyw Inc has increased the flying by 8 to 9% comparing with a year ago while most other Reginals are seeing huge cuts in their flying. Skywest is not longer overstaffed like it used to be.............
Skywest airlines own all their Jets or leases on them so DAL is not paying any leases on any airplanes that we fly for them. That puts us in a special situation as we always have the jets that we intend to fly in any contract we sign.
Atlanta as base for Skywest is growing (in amount of pilots and flights)even if most of the 900 flying was given to ASAs 10 new 900s..........
and, Skyw Inc has increased the flying by 8 to 9% comparing with a year ago while most other Reginals are seeing huge cuts in their flying. Skywest is not longer overstaffed like it used to be.............
As an outside observer I would agree that things at Skywest look pretty good. Sounds like a good company, people like it there, no furloughs. I work for a "competitor" and I am impressed with the operation.
Skywest airlines own all their Jets or leases on them so DAL is not paying any leases on any airplanes that we fly for them. That puts us in a special situation as we always have the jets that we intend to fly in any contract we sign.
Atlanta as base for Skywest is growing (in amount of pilots and flights)even if most of the 900 flying was given to ASAs 10 new 900s..........
and, Skyw Inc has increased the flying by 8 to 9% comparing with a year ago while most other Reginals are seeing huge cuts in their flying. Skywest is not longer overstaffed like it used to be.............
Glad you guys continue to grow in ATL (our only crew base) while we shrink and furlough....I guess that is part of being the red headed step child though.....
On the bright side there is no whipsawing of our labor groups it's just us making all the sacrafices.
Glad you guys continue to grow in ATL (our only crew base) while we shrink and furlough....I guess that is part of being the red headed step child though.....
On the bright side there is no whipsawing of our labor groups it's just us making all the sacrafices.
While I feel bad for you guys I would like to again point out that we all make our decisions on where to go and when. I have friends that went to ASA with 600 hours, they are making more than I am. I instructed flew in AK and flew freight for a year first and came to Skywest with 1900TT and I am making less than ASA FOs because Im in the bro. If Skywest furloughs I'll be in the first group to go. So if we get flying and you guys don't, such is life.
Well from what I am hearing ASA is going to start doing some new flying for another airline pretty soon. Hopefully that will bring back some of the furloughs or at least stop the bleeding.
Well from what I am hearing ASA is going to start doing some new flying for another airline pretty soon. Hopefully that will bring back some of the furloughs or at least stop the bleeding.
Wishful thinking unfortunately, we've been hearing that UAX rumor for a very long time. Besides that flying could be better served by Skywest anyways since they are already a UAX carrier. I wouldn't be surprised if they got it over us.
The only rumors I've been hearing involve more furloughs. It's supposed to be impossible because of the "no furlough clause" but honestly my toilet paper is worth more than that piece of paper. They can and will find a way around it. We are losing 20 airplanes (10 net) starting spring 2010 so that's 100 pilots right there.
And no I'm not ****ed at Skywest pilots and don't blame them since they don't make the schedules. It's just frustrating to feel and be treated like 2nd class citizens when we are all supposed to be one happy family.
I have heard the UAX thing too! I hope you get it.
Also, the lease rates are not the only thing that can be changed at DOS+5. There can be a lot of changes made if you are not in the bottom two.
It was a good contract to sign when the signed it, but the fact is that going forward and with the NWA Airlink airlines now part of DCI, it gets a little ugly.
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