ATP checkride as SIC? - Page 3

Twin Wasp · 10-15-2009, 06:45 PM

All the "frozen" ATP means you've taken the writtens. A long time ago you had to have 1500 hours to even take the written test for the FAA ATP. Had to take your log book to the FSDO/GADO and get a form saying you could take the written. They quite doing that years ago. The CAA world would let you do the writtens (all 15 or whatever) anytime. I've seen some comments that you could use their ATP writtens for their COM and not have to redo the tests but I don't know that for sure.

So there are plenty of pilots with "Frozen ATPs" in the US, they just don't know it.

dojetdriver · 10-15-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Twin Wasp

All the "frozen" ATP means you've taken the writtens.

Don't they take the checkride as well? The only thing that happens is when they hit the mandated total flight time, the ATP becomes "unfrozen". And at some places, the FO now gets to sport 3 stripes instead of 2.

SpiraMirabilis · 10-16-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BoilerUP

Its rather difficult to complete the ATP-required taxiing task without access to the tiller, no?

just pretend nosewheel steering is MEL'd.

rickair7777 · 10-16-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dojetdriver

Don't they take the checkride as well? The only thing that happens is when they hit the mandated total flight time, the ATP becomes "unfrozen". And at some places, the FO now gets to sport 3 stripes instead of 2.

A JAA frozen ATPL has not taken the checkride, just the writtens. You take the checkride after you get the flight time.

lavMan · 10-16-2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

You cannot "earn" an ATP while acting as SIC...an ATP certificate is like any other cert, and you earn it the same way. To earn the ATP you need to meet the requirements of part 61.15X, fill out an 8710, and take a checkride. Anyone can take this checkride if they meet the requirements, you do not even have to work for an airline or be a professional pilot.

You could do it out in town in a seminole with a local DPE, or your airline could give you an ATP checkride in a level D sim. It would be easy for the airline, since the ATP checkride is little more than an airline PC...it could be done on your regularly schedule PC with a company DPE. It all depends on your company as to whether they will go to the trouble or make you blow $3K out in town.

The bill says YOU have to have an ATP...it does not say the airline has to provide it.

But I wouldn't worry just yet...wait and see what the senate version of the bill looks like, and how they reconcile that with the house version.

I had an FAA inspector in the jumpseat once told me he showed up for a 121 ATP/Type ride, and the applicant had lots of sic time, and total, and met all the requirements, but didn't have the 250PIC. He sent him home and told him to go rent a cessna. So SIC time in your 121 aircraft doesn't mean anything towards the PIC requirement. So if you're a low time pilot and plan to upgrade in the next ??? years, better review your log book, and make sure you got it before doing all the training, and showing up for your ride.

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