757upspilot

This is about $30 an hour on the low side for a 757 Captain at 15 years and when did it become normal for someone to top out at 15 years , it used to take 12.

APM145

I think think this is all mins, not what we max out as. At most of the airlines that have deppressed wages the scales go to 18 years. Taking it down to 15 would be a step to normalizing wages to what legacy airlines have. Cargo wages I think are not factored in since you guys fly much higher revenue flights and as such get compensated better for similar equipment. I think working towards this is a goal for those who are makeing 18-30K flying a CRJ900 or those that are at an airline that now has E190s but still trying to treat its workers like temps... the industry has changed, as much as pilots hate change we need to realize that the 190 is not a stepping stone and that a pilot in the regional jet must be compensated to not be forced to work a second or third job... nobody will fix it for us.

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757upspilot

I can understand the need for the CRJ900 pay to increase and agree completely that pilots must stop treating the regionals as a stepping stone. You have a pay scale in this chart for the 757/321 that is expressed as a target and it is 20% low.

gettinbumped

This is all certainly true.
Best of luck to all of those trying to change the industry for the better!
And yes - $14,000 is terrible pay for a pilot. It isn't even working full time at a job paying $7.50/hr

USMCFLYR[/quote]

Perhaps... But I'm trying to think about another job where making a big mistake has bigger consequences. Let's say I make an oops and do what the Republic plane in LAX did a couple of weeks ago and taxi onto a runway that is being used for takeoff. Let's say it doesn't get caught by ATC and we actually end up colliding with that B757. A few hundred people dead, $40 million in assets destroyed (ignoring the cost of the retribution to the families), and in my case flying for a weak airline on the brink, probably the end of my entire corporation (see Pan Am). That's a financial liability in the billions.... with a B. I'm trying to think of another position where the consequences could be more severe.

seafeye

Lets not forget that flying is 10% of the job.
200 days/year away from friends and family.
Long days when at work.
Living 2/3rds of your life in an industrial park eating crap food.
Sim rides
Medicals
Recurrent training etc...
There is a lot more to this job then just landing an airplane.

All pilots should get a base pay of $50k and then we can start negotiating the pay for flying a $20,000,000 airplane carrying the CEO's wife and kids.

USMCFLYR

Perhaps... But I'm trying to think about another job where making a big mistake has bigger consequences. Let's say I make an oops and do what the Republic plane in LAX did a couple of weeks ago and taxi onto a runway that is being used for takeoff. Let's say it doesn't get caught by ATC and we actually end up colliding with that B757. A few hundred people dead, $40 million in assets destroyed (ignoring the cost of the retribution to the families), and in my case flying for a weak airline on the brink, probably the end of my entire corporation (see Pan Am). That's a financial liability in the billions.... with a B. I'm trying to think of another position where the consequences could be more severe.[/quote]

Since we are talking about possibilities here - then ANY mass transportation position could have a great loss of life and legal liability! Again - since the aforementioned quote was:

Quote:

You have more responsibility (arguably) than any other job in the world

(note the use of the words ANY OTHER JOB IN THE WORLD) - let's through out the job of X Corps Command ing General or the 1st Marine Division during the Korean War and the Battle of Chosin Reservoir:
Casualties and lossesUS sources:[nb 2]
1,029 killed
4,582 wounded
4,894 missing
7,338 nonbattle casualties[4]
15 tank losses[5]
Chinese estimation:
13,900[3]Official data:
19,202 battle casualties
28,954 nonbattle casualties[3]
Unoffical estimations: 60,000+[6][nb 3]
UN estimation:
29,800+[7]

Remember this - I said:
I also believe that saying that it carries with it the MOST responsibility in the WORLD is an overstatement and actually belittles the true importance of the job. This of course is my opinion that I am sharing today.

USMCFLYR