Position: Former EMB 120 Jr. Water Boy, CRJ newbee
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I am not trying to get in the middle of the argument here, and I don't know the whole story of why you got fired Tony other than you didn't pass upgrade. I also like you as a person because you put it all out there and not afraid to speak your mind good, bad, or indifferent. Did you only get one chance, didn't pass, and fired as a result? I was in CRJ transition training the same time you were in upgrade. In the sim, my partner did not pass his checkride (upgrade) along with a few others in my class. Lots of them were transitions but a couple were not and we had the FAA sit in on about 90% of our rides. Everyone that was in my class kept there jobs after re-training and re-testing with the FAA sitting in the jumpseat on ever step. So what was the difference in your case or was there no differences? Someone else stated you must have done much more than fail (or whatever?) to lose your job and its a pass on upgrade or your out thing we have here, but I have not seen that be the case from my eyes yet (See story above) so I have to wonder along with the others and there comments. You may have already stated it here before and I missed it, but I just don't get it. Others have failed upgrade and still are here.....your unfortunately are not and I scratch my head? You should have been given the choice to go back to the right seat on the CRJ and all would have worked out but that is just my opinion. However, at that point would you have had to go through CRJ training again to go back, and the fact all classes after ours were canceled so there was no opportunity to do this so your got the boot? Some seem to get fired around here some do not, why, no clue there but there has to be some reason behind it all...there again maybe not...... its all SkyWest's choice anyway. If we did have a contract that had employment language in it I feel there would be much more constancy here with who stays and has to go, which I fully support! No contract no rights from my view! Sorry for the sidetrack and rant.
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Skywest does NOT fire you if you fail upgrade ONCE. Skywest has a "three strikes and you are out" upgrade policy. Take your pick of what part of the written, oral, or sim check you want to fail. Fail one part three times, fail each once and yes THAT PERSON SHOULD BE FIRED.
Skywest has a great training department and the job they are very good at is preparing you for your written, oral, and sim check. They will work with you after hours, if you request it. You will get additional sim time, if you request it. If you are not ready on the day of the test, it is not their responsiblity. It is solely the test takers responsibility.
Why on earth would they spends tens of thousands of dollars on your training with the goal of looking to fail you so quickly?
Commanding a multi-million dollar aircraft with many, many peoples lives at stake is a privilege, not an entitlement. Not in all cases, but in many cases, unions breed and foster an entitlement mentality, IN MY OPINION. Flame away, I don't really care.
Skywest is the most fair, honest, descent company I have ever worked for. I am 41 years old and worked for many different companies, large and small in my life so far.
The FEW that have been fired over the years did alot more, and I mean alot more than what you will be lead to believe on these forums.
I do work at SkyW, and have for considerably longer than you. I can tell you that you are wrong! You may not be privy to the info, but I do know of good people who were "helped out the door"...
Did you only get one chance, didn't pass, and fired as a result? I was in CRJ transition training the same time you were in upgrade. In the sim, my partner did not pass his checkride (upgrade) along with a few other
Here's the thread that discussed all the gory details:
In summary, I failed the oral, then the next morning at 6am did the sim, which I failed also (with the same guy who failed me on the oral).
Don't worry, when he filled out the pink slips for both the ATP failure and EMB type rating failure in both categories, he didn't waste any energy on identifying which area I failed. Just wrote every area.
I did get my ATP last Tuesday, and the examiner was a bit confused how I could fail the oral and keep going and even be able to fail the sim (practical) part. The practical test standards say otherwise. And he was confused, I think, how I could fail everything. By the way, the guy I had Tues was former SkW, too. Good guy.
Anyhoo, the company elected not to give me a retake on either the oral or practical. That decision on my behalf by the company was my "third" strike. They did mention how the FAA would have to be there for the retake, "and they really didn't want that."
Of course, my ATP written timed out prior to my ATP retake, so I got to take that again, too. I'll do recurrent on the CRJ next week to lift the "circling VMC only" and "SIC" limitations.
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Lots of them were transitions but a couple were not and we had the FAA sit in on about 90% of our rides. ..... You should have been given the choice to go back to the right seat on the CRJ and all would have worked out but that is just my opinion.
As you know, had I been a transition, I would be golden. Fail the program, just go back to the previous seat. Upgrade failure... fired. Seems like it should be opposite to me: Captains have no excuse to fail. They're gods !!!
Of course, I'm kidding. The rule is crude. Like cutting off hands for stealing. But as long as you've got a majority of Captain Blow Hards, that rule will be there another 15 or 20 years... union or no union.
"The greatest discovery of any generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitude."
- William James
Mr. Williams, insult me, call me names, whatever. I am truly sorry that you failed your oral and failed your sim check and were consequentially terminated from Skywest. This is a tough business. I would never wish professional failure on any fellow pilot.
I will remember you now though, I won't forget your name in the future. Good luck to you in your future regional airline career.
I will remember you now though, I won't forget your name in the future. Good luck to you in your future regional airline career.
It's more than a good kick in the balls; getting canned is the gift that keeps on giving ;-) What regional would hire somebody fired from another regional? I seriously doubt that there will be a "regional airline career".... Thankfully.
I guess you have no problem with your previous statement, "did alot more, and I mean alot more".
Good luck in your next thread.
Last edited by TonyWilliams : 11-03-2009 at 08:22 AM.
JD...Tony is a good dude. He got screwed by a crappy policy that will probably never change at Skywest. That company is rapidly going downhill...with the health care BS, and lots of other little things that my buddies still there are putting up with. I am glad that I am not there anymore, even the crap they pulled when I left was below the belt. One day the pilots (and employees in general) will figure out that everything that company does is to benefit the top brass. It was not like that when I first started there and it does not have to be like that now, but make no mistake....that is the bottom line!
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