coryk

They did mentioned they planned on one CRJ and one EMB class each month for the foreseeable future when I was in SLC last month. A class of 40 started yesterday, 20/20 and all but 3 showed up.

JustAMushroom

First year business school you'll learn a company that has a union deserves a union.

So far SkyWest has been pretty good about balancing the needs if shareholders and employees and all this whining by the ERJ side isn't going to motivate a single SkyWest pilot. It's actually counter productive to your goal because it drives most everyone away from the unity you seek.

Educating pilots about the game is great. It's up to SkyWest pilots to decide if they're getting screwed. So far most are happy. It's a shame you're not.

V1rotateV2

What bases are new-hires going to?

Is offline

Right now new hires are going to MSP, DEN, ORD, IAH, and COS on the jet.

Bro is pretty much any base you want and if not right out of traing it doesn't take long.

rickair7777

I can see junior FO's taking that offer, but why would senior folks come sling gear at SKW when most can get better jobs elsewhere?

wrxpilot

Very well said. I've been at SkyWest close to three years, and I know we have our share of problems. But the angry union talk from our fellow pilots at ExpressJet is VERY polarizing to me, and has just the effect you mentioned.

saturn

Nevets has some valid points...but when he expresses them in an accusatory way that naturally causes someone to react defensively, he shouldnt be surprised that he causes division instead of unity. Maybe dont start out with "The problem with your pilots", "I dont understand why you all..", "coat-tail riding blah blah". One can feel the malcontent you have for Skywest guys, it just bleeds out of your sentences. If your purpose is flamebait venting then mission successful. But if you see yourself as trying to pass along constructive insight to your comrades on the other side, accusations and blame games wont work. Just a thought.

Nevets

Like I said in an earlier post, and I've said in other places, I think that the Skywest pilot groups as a whole is a lost cause. I'm not here trying to unify you. Only you guys can do that internally.

What I'm trying to point out that there are things (and have been things) that are being done behind your backs that are not in your best interest. And it's not all your fault. Management are the ones doing it and not telling you about it. What else are they not telling you?

That's not the way the language is written. Our bid would be for 5 captains and 5 FOs for each aircraft transferred over. And then a seniority list integration would take place in accordance with the Allegheny Mohawk LPPs 3 & 13 (same as McCaskill-Bond). And then a bid at Skywest would take place for those aircraft. Captains would go over as captains and FOs as FOs. Every pilot would keep their longevity for all pay and benefit purposes.

What you actually learn in first year of business school is that a company deserves the union it gets. There is a very subtle but significant difference. If XJT pilots are angry, their is a valid reason for it. Look at SWA for example. Every single non-management employee group is unionized and they all work collaborative with management and are happy. It used to be that way at XJT until about 3 years ago. Just because you are unionized doesn't mean that there will be an adversarial relationship with management. Again, SWA is the perfect example. The only thing you need is mutual respect, fair treatment (including compensation), and a just culture. This management validates that it is not any of those if in fact we are angry. Just the fact that our own CEO would pit his own employees against each other, is the only proof that you need to know that they are not interested in being respectful or fair to all their employees.

You are right. It was mostly as flame. Like I said, I'm not here to rally you. I posted what I did to show you how you are being played and you wouldn't even know it if it wasn't for my supposed malcontent. Take it how you want if you don't want to see past my accusations and look at what I said logically. It's just another excuse for your apathy and obvious Stockholm syndrome.

You may not like the WAY I'm saying this to you. But I believe that you will also not like WHAT I'm saying and use my delivery style as an excuse to not do some of your own independent, critical thinking of what I said and work through it logically to what is happening and why. Prove me wrong.

NVUS

Nevets - That's not the way the language is written. Our bid would be for 5 captains and 5 FOs for each aircraft transferred over. And then a seniority list integration would take place in accordance with the Allegheny Mohawk LPPs 3 & 13 (same as McCaskill-Bond). And then a bid at Skywest would take place for those aircraft. Captains would go over as captains and FOs as FOs. Every pilot would keep their longevity for all pay and benefit purposes.


Call me when CC hasn't figured out a way to move aircraft without taking pilots with them. They have you beat at your own game. Sorry to have to clue you in.

Nevets

You are focusing on the wrong thing. You are being too short sided.

Yes, they can transfer aircraft without pilots. Once the leases expire, they can do whatever they want with those aircraft. I'm talking about a worse case scenario in which they decide to shutter XJT. They'll let the 50 seaters expire. But I don't think they'll let the 59 700/900s go to a competitor if they can prevent that. Those aircraft are the bread and butter, the big revenue maker, the way of the future. Also, don't discredit the bilateral flow agreement for the furlough pilots. You never know what could happen there.

Anyway, that's all short sided. You put faith in management negotiating and agreeing against your interest behind your back. That's really what you should be looking at. Their fiduciary responsibility is not to us pilots. It's solely to the investors.

I'm sure that if it ever came to be that they transfer the 700/900s, they'll just show you charts and graphs to convince you to see it the way they want you to see it.

By the way, this goes above the pay grade of CC. This is decided by BOD.