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05-23-2014, 05:49 AM
#5211
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Joined APC: Sep 2008
Position: B767
Posts: 1,901
Originally Posted by rickair7777
Yes senior prop drivers historically are prone to having trouble moving into glass jets. I've seen that at more than one airline.
But the flip side is true too...guys who spend years on an RJ and then upgrade into a steam gauge turboprop may have their work cut out for them.
Age is a factor for sure...any experienced CFI would be lying if he denied that on average younger folks learn faster and easier when it comes to flying.
Some of the PDX Bro people might not make it on the jet, they'll have to transfer to another Bro base. When the Bro finally goes away we'll probably have a few folks unemployed. I hope not but the odds aren't great.
If you're one of those super-senior Bro drivers reading this now and you're worried about jet training...I would suggest trying the transition NOW. That way if you don't quite make it you can try again one more time when the Bro finally goes away, and you'll have the experience from the first attempt under your belt. If you ride the Bro into the ground and subsequently don't complete jet training you'll be terminated since you won't have available the policy provision of reverting back to your previous airplane.
But the flip side is true too...guys who spend years on an RJ and then upgrade into a steam gauge turboprop may have their work cut out for them.
Age is a factor for sure...any experienced CFI would be lying if he denied that on average younger folks learn faster and easier when it comes to flying.
Some of the PDX Bro people might not make it on the jet, they'll have to transfer to another Bro base. When the Bro finally goes away we'll probably have a few folks unemployed. I hope not but the odds aren't great.
If you're one of those super-senior Bro drivers reading this now and you're worried about jet training...I would suggest trying the transition NOW. That way if you don't quite make it you can try again one more time when the Bro finally goes away, and you'll have the experience from the first attempt under your belt. If you ride the Bro into the ground and subsequently don't complete jet training you'll be terminated since you won't have available the policy provision of reverting back to your previous airplane.
05-23-2014, 11:14 PM
#5212
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Joined APC: May 2013
Position: c182
Posts: 45
Hello There Folks!
could any body here recommend a CRM workshop in preparation for the interview preferably in the los angeles area
Thank you all
could any body here recommend a CRM workshop in preparation for the interview preferably in the los angeles area
Thank you all
05-24-2014, 02:36 PM
#5213
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Joined APC: May 2009
Posts: 2,035
Originally Posted by telejet
Not looking forward to what this does to the pairings in PSP. I write this from the hotel on a 17 hour 4 day..
You could always transition to the RJ and get 16 hour 4 days...
05-24-2014, 02:46 PM
#5214
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Joined APC: May 2009
Posts: 2,035
Originally Posted by rickair7777
Yes that's the way they've always done it and it makes perfect sense. Why incur the cost of multiple training events when you have somebody already qualified who wants to go?
If the pilots wanted to negotiate for "absolute seniority" in all awards (and trade away something else for it to offset the cost) they would do that. But unlike a legacy airline with multiple types in the fleet most SKW pilots (and all the senior ones) are already on the CRJ and have no interest in giving up anything for the convenience of a few junior folks who haven't quite got where they want to be yet. And it's probably the right choice...whatever the pilots would have to give up would probably cost EVERYBODY far more than it would be worth to the few who would benefit.
Now with E-175's coming (and who knows, maybe MRJ's?) this is an issue that could take on more significance in the future.
If the pilots wanted to negotiate for "absolute seniority" in all awards (and trade away something else for it to offset the cost) they would do that. But unlike a legacy airline with multiple types in the fleet most SKW pilots (and all the senior ones) are already on the CRJ and have no interest in giving up anything for the convenience of a few junior folks who haven't quite got where they want to be yet. And it's probably the right choice...whatever the pilots would have to give up would probably cost EVERYBODY far more than it would be worth to the few who would benefit.
Now with E-175's coming (and who knows, maybe MRJ's?) this is an issue that could take on more significance in the future.
"All the senior ones are already on the CRJ".
Not! A lot of the "senior ones" stayed on the EMB to live where we wanted to and not have to commute, especially in the recently closed bases(SMF, SBA, MRY, SAN/CLD).
05-24-2014, 09:25 PM
#5215
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Joined APC: May 2009
Position: Another RJ FO
Posts: 1,272
Originally Posted by Paid2fly
"All the senior ones are already on the CRJ".
Not! A lot of the "senior ones" stayed on the EMB to live where we wanted to and not have to commute, especially in the recently closed bases(SMF, SBA, MRY, SAN/CLD).
Not! A lot of the "senior ones" stayed on the EMB to live where we wanted to and not have to commute, especially in the recently closed bases(SMF, SBA, MRY, SAN/CLD).
05-25-2014, 05:39 AM
#5216
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: Seat 0B
Posts: 2,300
I read on SKWOL that we get 24 buddy passes per year on UA then I saw somewhere else that the buddy passes on UA were discontinued. I'm married with an enrolled friend, what do I get?
05-25-2014, 05:53 AM
#5217
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 328
[QUOTE=TheFly;1651119]I read on SKWOL that we get 24 buddy passes per year on UA then I saw somewhere else that the buddy passes on UA were discontinued. I'm married with an enrolled friend, what do I get?[/
We no longer get any UA buddy passes. A couple years ago they changed it to get rid of buddy passes and allow a second enrolled friend or spouse and enrolled friend and that took the place of buddy passes.
We no longer get any UA buddy passes. A couple years ago they changed it to get rid of buddy passes and allow a second enrolled friend or spouse and enrolled friend and that took the place of buddy passes.
05-25-2014, 06:14 AM
#5218
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,256
Originally Posted by Paid2fly
"All the senior ones are already on the CRJ".
Not! A lot of the "senior ones" stayed on the EMB to live where we wanted to and not have to commute, especially in the recently closed bases(SMF, SBA, MRY, SAN/CLD).
Not! A lot of the "senior ones" stayed on the EMB to live where we wanted to and not have to commute, especially in the recently closed bases(SMF, SBA, MRY, SAN/CLD).
05-25-2014, 06:15 AM
#5219
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,256
Originally Posted by rcfd13
I actually bid a higher percentage in a junior RJ base than I was bidding in most Brasilia bases before I transitioned. It seems like a lot of people are staying on the bro for the QOL in west coast bases since we've seen very little movement the last few years.
05-25-2014, 06:26 AM
#5220
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,256
Originally Posted by ghann001
Hello There Folks!
could any body here recommend a CRM workshop in preparation for the interview preferably in the los angeles area
Thank you all
could any body here recommend a CRM workshop in preparation for the interview preferably in the los angeles area
Thank you all
If you're the CA: Communicate, solicit input, make a plan, communicate, and be decisive to execute.
FO: Back up the CA, offer input, speak up enough to show you're engaged. If the CA does something really dumb speak up forcefully.
JS: Offer to assist the CA in any way and let him know you'll back up the crew by monitoring basic flight parameters. Speak up if something looks or sounds really wrong. You'll probably say the least but that's OK because a JSer typically isn't qualified on the airplane at that airline (if he is, then he can do more, read checklists, etc). A JSer should not be running the show...if you really end up needing to do that then the "CA" and "FO" are not going to be getting hired.
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