flyingice

The only replacements AS would be shopping for would be CRJ-700 replacements, as the ex-Horizon -700s are getting up there in age. I saw the Embraer 175 over at ASIG in SEA a few weeks ago when Chip and company brought it up from St. George to woo Brad and the fellas over on International Blvd. I'll buy that possibility.

But Q400 replacements? No way.

Horizon has the Q400 operation down to an art, and they make Alaska a lot of money. OO does not have CAT III, which is VITAL to the SEA, PDX, and GEG shuttle markets, nor RNP .1, which is becoming more and more crucial throughout the AS and QX system, especially with QX moving up into AK. When you combine the Q400's fuel burn and speed on routes under 500nm, there is nothing that can currently beat it on the numbers side, and OO--and every other RJ regional--has nothing in their arsenal that would be competitive. The Q400 isn't going away.

Sorry dude.

Cruz5350

Thanks I typed out a long winded response as an ex QX pilot there is no aircraft that can come in and replace the Q. The 175 if flown for AS will totally be a 700 replacement as the 700's we fly are the oldest in the world I believe. I don't think any other airline would be willing nor want to spend the money it would take to bring on an airplane like the Q and certify it to RNP .1 and CATIII for less than what QX does it for.

mtpilotpc12

I know QXers love to beat their CATIII drum but.....
There is a reason we ripped the HUDs out of all of our Alaska 700's when we got them, it doesn't pencil out. Our chief did the math and the times you can get in CATIII vs CATII is so slim that it doesn't even come close to justifing the outrageous expense to maintain those systems.

air101

No need to be sorry. They need to be able to compete with Delta now, the Q400, just isn't going to cut it. Also, the new mx base opening up in BOI? Coincidence? The 700's are on contract until 2018. Nobody said the Q is going to go away over night. At some point Alaska is going to have to evaluate if they want to continue operating two certificates, or cut some costs to try and fend off Delta. It's all speculation for the future, not next week.

flyingice

For a dozen airplanes flown primarily between PDX/ SEA and California on a contract several times a day, it doesn't. Fully agree with you. But as stated earlier, if you want to knock out the QX Q400s and have OO do the flying, then it becomes a necessity. Remember, PDX and SEA will sit with three digit RVRs for days, if not close to a week. And flights several times an hour is a whole different ball game than several times a day. QX wouldn't do CAT III if it didn't pencil out on the spreadsheet. So yes, QX beats the CAT III drum.

The Q400 has no problem "cutting it" when it comes to competition. It was used by AS to dismantle Southwest in the Pacific Northwest. The consumer sees the mighty dollar sign, and with AS costs being lower than DL costs, I doubt a Q400 will be the determining factor. I see CRJs running SEA-PDX against Q400s and I cringe when I think of CRJs fuel burn on that route. It's got to be an expensive way for DL to make a stand against AS/ QX. The AS following is hardcore and many revere QX for their customer service. It's a more than potent force to take on DL.

I'm sure the BOI Mx base will serve more than the one or two AS contract CRJs that RON there...

Four years isn't a lot of time when you start examining asset replacement. 2018 will sneak up quick. I'm sure AS leadership is planning well past that date, and if new RJs will be in the mix, I'm sure the plans are being drawn up now.

OO is a good shop. Lots of good people. Applied there back in the day but a local Citation gig opened up. QX is a good place too with good people. But it comes down to efficiency and economies of scales guys. Above is the discussion and examination of it. It's why the QX RJs got contracted out, the QX Qs aren't going anywhere and will probably increase, and AS will hold its own against DL.

NVUS

And how many years has SkyWest flown an EMB into SEA that is only capable of CAT I approaches? Like we don't know the weather habits of the Northwest? I'd have to say we've been doing just fine without CAT III capabilities. Heck we even fly those EMBs into the US's foggiest airport, ACV.

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