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Old 09-24-2014, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by whynotme View Post
Don't know what to think about someone from outside Utah taking over. Could be bad news. Should find out fairly quickly.
This is 100% UAL, pure and simple, she is a UAL insider, she will do whatever her masters decide is the best course of action. SKYW stock has been dribbling down in price on the market, this is a quantum quandary....
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Old 09-24-2014, 09:58 AM
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Is she hot?

No, she looks like Cramer from Seinfield's with little longer hair.

You guys are screwed, I worked with her years ago.
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Old 09-24-2014, 10:11 AM
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Ouch... way to take it out of proportion... I was kidding and I am ASA. My butt hurts now.

Back on topic.. was this the supposed "Big news" we have been waiting for?
Sorry,
After having been in this industry for quite a while now, I have seen quite a few extremes happen. This is a new paradigm, UAL and the big 3 have finished their consolidations, now its the regionals turn for change. This goes back to the "pilot shortage", believe it or not, the reason isn't pertinent, pay ect, the reality is, it takes a while to "create" a pilot from scratch, even a fully qualified 121 pilot takes 4-8 weeks to transition him/her onto the seniority list. Inability to operate even one major airline grade A/C for a day is expensive, and lets face it, while pilots are expensive, its way more expensive to be short on them. This will be an exercise in cost containment, ready made pilots who are "shake and bake" ready are far less expensive than free range candidates. Read between the lines, the new COO comes from a "Future Strategies Group", your future is being determined at a conference table in ORD, or has already been determined. BH likes to think of himself as a line pilot, maybe he wasn't willing to participate in the "new" plan......
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Old 09-24-2014, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Complete View Post
No, she looks like Cramer from Seinfield's with little longer hair.

You guys are screwed, I worked with her years ago.
Ouch, well, No BS is usually preferred in times like these, but you got to it quick!

It will be interesting to say the least. I'm so glad there is a pilot shortage these days and everyone on here has interviews lined up somewhere so we can leave if we don't like the way the wind blows!

Who am I kidding. Let's see what happens.
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Old 09-24-2014, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom View Post
Sorry,
After having been in this industry for quite a while now, I have seen quite a few extremes happen. This is a new paradigm, UAL and the big 3 have finished their consolidations, now its the regionals turn for change. This goes back to the "pilot shortage", believe it or not, the reason isn't pertinent, pay ect, the reality is, it takes a while to "create" a pilot from scratch, even a fully qualified 121 pilot takes 4-8 weeks to transition him/her onto the seniority list. Inability to operate even one major airline grade A/C for a day is expensive, and lets face it, while pilots are expensive, its way more expensive to be short on them. This will be an exercise in cost containment, ready made pilots who are "shake and bake" ready are far less expensive than free range candidates. Read between the lines, the new COO comes from a "Future Strategies Group", your future is being determined at a conference table in ORD, or has already been determined. BH likes to think of himself as a line pilot, maybe he wasn't willing to participate in the "new" plan......
Not only that, but look how long it takes to train from 0-hero (atp) approximately 5 years if one does it right. Recently talked to some of the flight schools out there and the number of preprivate pilots is decent. After commercial the number drastically drops. So much debt to acquire for not much income at the beginning. Even after getting on a regional and after a decade it's nothing to brag about as far as $$$$ is concerned.
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Old 09-24-2014, 10:33 AM
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The Future Strategies concept is intriguing. Think about it for a few minutes, what would happen if airline "A" decided to take airline "B"s market share? More than a few ways to do it, fare wares are expensive and create ill will when the fares go back up. Or how about grounding some of the competition's flights, by hiring their skilled operators? The simple act of hiring employees, can/could achieve the desired results. Hiring the replacements for grounded flights is classic Art of War strategy. In an industry where strategy consists of replacing the A/C toilet paper with ghostply grade TP, applying a treatise that is a couple millennium old is not terribly inventive, but when everybody else is bumping into walls, it will work....
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Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom View Post
The Future Strategies concept is intriguing. Think about it for a few minutes, what would happen if airline "A" decided to take airline "B"s market share? More than a few ways to do it, fare wares are expensive and create ill will when the fares go back up. Or how about grounding some of the competition's flights, by hiring their skilled operators? The simple act of hiring employees, can/could achieve the desired results. Hiring the replacements for grounded flights is classic Art of War strategy. In an industry where strategy consists of replacing the A/C toilet paper with ghostply grade TP, applying a treatise that is a couple millennium old is not terribly inventive, but when everybody else is bumping into walls, it will work....
I am curious to hear more about your theory even though I think this was as simple as she was qualified because she worked at UAL and has extensive experience with UAX. Everything you said was fairly vague.

I am also very doubtful anything you are saying closely relates to Sun Tzu writings.
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Old 09-24-2014, 11:08 AM
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I am also very doubtful anything you are saying closely relates to Sun Tzu writings.
Re, Fare Wars:

To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting.
- Sun Tzu, the Art of War

Re, Hiring pilots and expanding into the competitions market share:

In all fighting, the direct method may be used for joining battle, but indirect methods will be needed in order to secure victory. In battle, there are not more than two methods of attack – the direct and the indirect; yet these two in combination give rise to an endless series of maneuvers. The direct and the indirect lead on to each other in turn. It is like moving in a circle – you never come to an end. Who can exhaust the possibilities of their combination?
- Sun Tzu

Hiring the talent, means pick of the litter, and being able to train them:

Whoever is first in the field and awaits the coming of the enemy, will be fresh for the fight; whoever is second in the field and has to hasten to battle will arrive exhausted.
- Sun Tzu

Lack of info:

In making tactical dispositions, the highest pitch you can attain is to conceal them.
- Sun Tzu

Expanding markets, when the competition can't staff them:

So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
- Sun Tzu

I guess you are right, if you cant see the correlation.


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Old 09-24-2014, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy View Post
I am curious to hear more about your theory even though I think this was as simple as she was qualified because she worked at UAL and has extensive experience with UAX. Everything you said was fairly vague.
Its vague, because its conceptual, without concrete data points its drawing inferences from information available. If you want to see the story put what you know on the table and start arranging it so that it makes sense.

1# Airline pilots are skilled machine operators, with a lengthily training
process.

2# Expansion of routes/market share is dependent on available assets
equipment and personnel.

3# The new COO is a longtime UAL player.

If you were an employer, would you prefer to pay a starting pay rate higher than 1st year if there were any way around it? Think like your opponent.

Occam's Razor would dictate that she is just going to be the new COO.

First question to Occam, Why? Her? Now?
I think there may be more in play than, just because, Brad wants to move back to SGU and play golf with Ron Reber.
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Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom View Post
To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting.
- Sun Tzu, the Art of War
In all fighting, the direct method may be used for joining battle, but indirect methods will be needed in order to secure victory. In battle, there are not more than two methods of attack – the direct and the indirect; yet these two in combination give rise to an endless series of maneuvers. The direct and the indirect lead on to each other in turn. It is like moving in a circle – you never come to an end. Who can exhaust the possibilities of their combination?
- Sun Tzu

Whoever is first in the field and awaits the coming of the enemy, will be fresh for the fight; whoever is second in the field and has to hasten to battle will arrive exhausted.
- Sun Tzu

In making tactical dispositions, the highest pitch you can attain is to conceal them.
- Sun Tzu

So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
- Sun Tzu

I guess you are right, if you cant see the correlation.

Thank you for proving my point. Everything you've said is completely irrelevant to what is happening at XJT at the majors. Who is the enemy. What will are you breaking? What is the battlefield? I've read and studied Sun Tzu. It does not apply to airline anything.
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