What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
#8381
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Nothing you said is true. I have a fall back. That is fact and nothing you say makes that otherwise. So go ahead and attack me again for not having "original" arguments if that's all you have. But the fact remains that it's solid advice. And by the way, of course it's not original! It seems like only pilots think it's some kind of absurd idea not to put all your eggs in one basket.
#8382
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
The only reason I'm responding to a Nevets post is because I worry about my fellow pilots getting bad information from this guy. First off, ExpressJet Airlines is a WHOLLY OWNED subsidiary of Skywest Inc. So, just like American did to Eagle, they can shrink us and transfer flying to Skywest Airlines, or allow contracts to expire, then rebid for them, and be awarded the flying, to Skywest Airlines. And lets not forget all the airplanes they have on order. All of which are currently going to Skywest Airlines. Its a fact that they are already doing it. So, since we can easily be whipsawed against the cheaper Skywest pilots, which is also something they are already doing, we don't have the leverage that Nevets believes we do. Just look at our current situation and you'll see this is fact. While they probably couldn't get us a flow agreement, they can do exactly what they did to Envoy.
And to believe that Skywest airlines doesn't have some control over our career progression is very naive. Again, look at our current situation, and the flying that we were not awarded, our stagnation, and a growing Skywest. While its obviously true that the flying is awarded from the majors, Skywest still has control over where those planes go. If we have the "leverage" Nevets claims we have, then why was our TA so ****ty? Why are we shrinking? The ONLY thing they have to offer us is a "competitive" contract. In my opinion, that means basically the same TA as before with a signing bonus, and planes from Skywest. If we don't take it, I would expect us to be turned into an Envoy, Endeavor, or worse, a Comair. Which is already happening. So please, don't listen to the Nevets of the world, who live in some fairy tail la la land, otherwise you're in for a lot of disappointment.
And to believe that Skywest airlines doesn't have some control over our career progression is very naive. Again, look at our current situation, and the flying that we were not awarded, our stagnation, and a growing Skywest. While its obviously true that the flying is awarded from the majors, Skywest still has control over where those planes go. If we have the "leverage" Nevets claims we have, then why was our TA so ****ty? Why are we shrinking? The ONLY thing they have to offer us is a "competitive" contract. In my opinion, that means basically the same TA as before with a signing bonus, and planes from Skywest. If we don't take it, I would expect us to be turned into an Envoy, Endeavor, or worse, a Comair. Which is already happening. So please, don't listen to the Nevets of the world, who live in some fairy tail la la land, otherwise you're in for a lot of disappointment.
This is nothing new. I've been saying this about Skywest all along, ever since the xjt MEC rolled over on scope. And they are doing exactly what they said they would do, park the airplanes and let CPAs expire. This is precisely why I'm saying to have a plan B! Having a viable plan b is the only leverage you will have. But go ahead and just do nothing instead.
#8383
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Someone please explain to me how Expressjet and Skywest Airlines are not in the same situation that Mesa and Freedom Airlines was in several years ago. Anyone on these boards that was here during that time should know what I'm talking about.
Expressjet = Mesa
Skywest = Freedom
Mesa/Expressjet were/are being whipsawed by the corporate parent during contract negotiations. Mesa pilots stopped the whipsaw by bringing the Freedom pilots onto the Mesa seniority list as a part of the TA that was voted in by the Mesa pilots.
Am I the only one who has noticed the similarity? I may have missed it, but I have yet to read any post on any message board that has brought this to light.
Expressjet = Mesa
Skywest = Freedom
Mesa/Expressjet were/are being whipsawed by the corporate parent during contract negotiations. Mesa pilots stopped the whipsaw by bringing the Freedom pilots onto the Mesa seniority list as a part of the TA that was voted in by the Mesa pilots.
Am I the only one who has noticed the similarity? I may have missed it, but I have yet to read any post on any message board that has brought this to light.
Nope, this is old news. The xjt MEC rolled over on this issue over 4 years ago when Skywest bought us. Now we have to deal with it. Management doesn't want to merge the airlines. The only way is for Skywest pilots to unionize AND demand a merger or a single carrier petition that will most likely fail at this point in time.
#8384
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 242
Nope, this is old news. The xjt MEC rolled over on this issue over 4 years ago when Skywest bought us. Now we have to deal with it. Management doesn't want to merge the airlines. The only way is for Skywest pilots to unionize AND demand a merger or a single carrier petition that will most likely fail at this point in time.
#8385
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Posts: 330
The only plan b I'm familiar with is in pill form, and comes in handy after a night of bad judgement.
#8386
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
The failure of the XJT MEC is well known. I am simply pointing out that no one has made the connection on these msg boards between Mesa and Expressjet. Seems like kind of a big deal to those involved. I have yet to hear of any comparison from anyone on any message board. Not that it matters, just an observation on my part.
#8387
This is nothing new. I've been saying this about Skywest all along, ever since the xjt MEC rolled over on scope. And they are doing exactly what they said they would do, park the airplanes and let CPAs expire. This is precisely why I'm saying to have a plan B! Having a viable plan b is the only leverage you will have. But go ahead and just do nothing instead.
#8388
Someone please explain to me how Expressjet and Skywest Airlines are not in the same situation that Mesa and Freedom Airlines was in several years ago. Anyone on these boards that was here during that time should know what I'm talking about.
Expressjet = Mesa
Skywest = Freedom
Mesa/Expressjet were/are being whipsawed by the corporate parent during contract negotiations. Mesa pilots stopped the whipsaw by bringing the Freedom pilots onto the Mesa seniority list as a part of the TA that was voted in by the Mesa pilots.
Am I the only one who has noticed the similarity? I may have missed it, but I have yet to read any post on any message board that has brought this to light.
Expressjet = Mesa
Skywest = Freedom
Mesa/Expressjet were/are being whipsawed by the corporate parent during contract negotiations. Mesa pilots stopped the whipsaw by bringing the Freedom pilots onto the Mesa seniority list as a part of the TA that was voted in by the Mesa pilots.
Am I the only one who has noticed the similarity? I may have missed it, but I have yet to read any post on any message board that has brought this to light.
SkyWest Airlines was a non union, stand alone airline for about as long as ASA and XJT have existed. SkyWest Inc. bought ASA from DAL, but fought hard to prevent a merger to protect the non union workforce. ASA made significant scope gains to prevent whipsaw, reduction, and fragmentation.
Then SKW Inc, gave ASA $26 million and ASA bought XJT. ASA merged the two companies. The failed merger has ensued, approximately $300 million of SKW Inc. money has been lost. Inc has decided to proceed with the functional, profitable, non union work force, and is slowly shutting down the dysfunctional side as its contracts expire.
This is nothing like the Mesa/Freedom situation.
#8389
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Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 94
hiring?
are they actively looking for pilots?
I've had my app in for months and nary a peep.
I've had my app in for months and nary a peep.
#8390
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Joined APC: Jun 2012
Posts: 87
Nope, this is old news. The xjt MEC rolled over on this issue over 4 years ago when Skywest bought us. Now we have to deal with it. Management doesn't want to merge the airlines. The only way is for Skywest pilots to unionize AND demand a merger or a single carrier petition that will most likely fail at this point in time.
BTW, your language was written in one direction. Acquiring of another airline. It didn't take into account the other direction. Simply another sign of the complete arrogance you and your fellow pilots continue to show the world.
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