yimke

I believe that their salary for a regional airline is out of standard. ANA CEO makes an equivalent of $600,000 a year. A major airline. I believe this is a fair market value of his skills and assets to his company.

But for a regional airline, making over 1 million a year is insane. Its not that he needs a bigger house, or boat. Its that they WANT it. Taking a bigger payout, when your company NEEDS those funds to supply ample MX and staffing is selfish. Have you seen some of the paintjobs, its embarrassing if one of the passengers were to look from the outside at it. That is why we are at the bottom of the performance list.

AtlCSIP

That's a different argument, and may be valid. The only thing I am pointing out is that the entire story was not told and the results had been spun to argue an inaccurate point. I also know why there is a big disparity between management pay and labor pay. We are labor. Generally speaking, we park the airplane and go home. When I had 20+ people working for me and made 3x what I make here, I never got away from my job. I can only imagine the lack of any real type of private life BH has because of the thousands of people and millions of dollars he is responsible for. Again, not arguing for or against. I'm just pointing out that the whole story is quite different.

AtlCSIP

No, he was advocating capitalism (I think).

In actuality, labor comes after capital, although independent of it, an hopefully results in profit for the capitalist. When I started my first business, I took money I had saved (capital) from earnings from my job and invested it in tools to perform the functions of my business. While I initially did all the work, I eventually hired labor to use the tools to perform the tasks that I required because of the work I had secured. On some projects, we made money (profit), and on some we did not (losses). Regardless, my intention for opening the business was to make money for myself, not provide jobs for people. Those jobs were necessary to perform the tasks, but were only necessary as long as I made money off of those workers performing those jobs. We are labor. If you want to be paid like management, go in to management, but until someone has actually walked in those shoes, that someone doesn't really have an accurate point of view from which to judge.

Again, I am not advocating concessions.

AtlCSIP

Yes it is. We can quit any time we want to.

ross9238

I understand the responsibilities of management and how at certain times, the work will be ongoing. I am not arguing that he shouldn't make that much since that is not my decision to make. My only problem is that the same person is asking for concessions.

This is not to boast but to show an example. At my previous position in management, I was in charge of 3 different departments for the hospital at the same time. I can count on my fingers how many times in a year I had been called at home or had to put in more time. One year the hospital administration gave us a bonus but we were unable to get raises for our employees. The outcome of that was we used the money from the bonus to get something for our employees.

Can it be done? Yes it can. It just boils down to how much management cares about labor.

ross9238

If you had not hired labor to perform those tasks, you would not have been able to complete the work that you secured. End result being, regardless of your investment you wouldn't have been able to make a profit or worse yet would've had to close shop.

AtlCSIP

I agree with you on many points, and I am not in favor of concessions either. I just don't like to see data misrepresent and skewed to fit a purpose.

BTW, I also took very good care of my employees, and would never ask them to do something I had not or would not do, but we are a dying breed, I'm afraid.

somertime32

Yes it is a far stretch, it isn't even close. Did anybody notice the article on our homepage in the Industry News ticker we have about the new rest rules being too costly for companies? According to the last two sentences we are the same as doctors in residency and whine about our pay too much......haha

Nevets

When I look at the raise from 2010 to 2012, I see unfairness since 1) they gave themselves a 73% raise while many FOs got no raises, 2)for those that did get raises, for many it barely covered inflation while there's was 73%, and 3) we now know they have been planning in asking for concessions all along while telling us they weren't (negotiating in bad faith), and 4) Skywest Inc is profitable and ExpressJet airlines seems to be operationally profitable, and 4) it's not the pilots' fault they we aren't making as much money as they want us to, and 5) they insist on paying for two sets of management teams and two sets of facilities and systems and processes, and staff to run two separate airlines.

Do I need to keep going to explain why it's unfair that they get their 73% raises from 2010 to 2012 while they later ask us for pay cuts? Is that you BH?

That's all great and I agree but where this argument falls apart in this particular instance is that management did not provide any capital. They are labor as well.

AtlCSIP

No, I am not BH. I am, in fact, a 3yr ASA FO. I also have a degree in engineering, so I can do math, and BH's raise over 2 years is actually a little over 25%, which is 12-13% per year (actually less, fiscally speaking, but that is a different topic). Is 12% per year too much?