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Old 08-20-2013, 07:55 AM
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The other half of our company? Pshhh. Most Skywest pilots walk around with their noses to the ceiling. I once tried to start a conversation with a SKW guy that was standing next to me waiting on a commute... his response was "oh you work for XJT"... he wouldnt even speak to me after that. Even my friends who work there have this "holier than thou" attitude. Get over yourselves.
The same thing has happened to me with guys on your side of the fence. So right back at ya, get over yourself.
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Old 08-20-2013, 08:40 AM
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I'm saying if you start acting like adults and being professional you might help your case but the degrading of half of your company is childish, but you're obviously to junivile to see that.
Other half of my company? One half of MY company is ASA, the other half is ExpressJet. You work for SkyWest Airlines, a non union carrier which is being whipsawed against my company in order to undermine my union contract. Pilots who go to work for a non union company which exists solely to whipsaw a union company owned by the same holding company are only one short step from being a "crusty dried wound" in my opinion.

But sorry for being so juvenile when it comes to my pay and quality of life. Thanks for the lecture oh wise one.
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:11 AM
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Other half of my company? One half of MY company is ASA, the other half is ExpressJet. You work for SkyWest Airlines, a non union carrier which is being whipsawed against my company in order to undermine my union contract. Pilots who go to work for a non union company which exists solely to whipsaw a union company owned by the same holding company are only one short step from being a "crusty dried wound" in my opinion.

But sorry for being so juvenile when it comes to my pay and quality of life. Thanks for the lecture oh wise one.
Time out Cpt Tony....The SkyWest pilots aren't to blame for this mess we find ourselves in. The 3 main reasons are:

1. Failure by ALPA to implement brand scope over a decade ago when they had the opportunity...That ship has sailed and we now must deal with the consequences of ALPA's failure.

2. The Pinnacle/Endeavor contract....Not the SkyWest pay and workrules, but an ALPA negotiated and signed contract is putting the new pressure on our contract.

3. Our "brothers" over on the LXJT side with their silly PBS game they have been playing which dragged this out so that the concessions given by Eagle and Pinnacle now factor into "pattern bargaining".....Brilliant move by the LXJT children.

Blaming the SkyWest folks for a mess that is largely ALPA's doing is silly...Your starting to sound like Nevets.....
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:25 AM
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Time out Cpt Tony....The SkyWest pilots aren't to blame for this mess we find ourselves in. The 4 main reasons are:

1. Failure by ALPA to implement brand scope over a decade ago when they had the opportunity...That ship has sailed and we now must deal with the consequences of ALPA's failure.

2. The Pinnacle/Endeavor contract....Not the SkyWest pay and workrules, but an ALPA negotiated and signed contract is putting the new pressure on our contract.

[By the way, management has told our negotiators our main competitor is SkyWest Airlines. They have not asked us to match Pinnacle or GoJets (yet)]

3. Our "brothers" over on the LXJT side with their silly PBS game they have been playing which dragged this out so that the concessions given by Eagle and Pinnacle now factor into "pattern bargaining".....Brilliant move by the LXJT children.

Blaming the SkyWest folks for a mess that is largely ALPA's doing is silly...Your starting to sound like Nevets.....
4. Pilots like Joe Merchant who brag on public forums that they can't wait to vote in concessions or do whatever it takes to save the company.
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:36 AM
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4. Pilots like Joe Merchant who brag on public forums that they can't wait to vote in concessions or do whatever it takes to save the company.
You avoided the 3 reasons I stated because you know they are correct. I'll just leave you with your own words from the USair/American merger thread....

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ALPA and DAL Management worked together to cornhole all us DCI pilots. Then you guys make offhanded references to cutting inefficient planes and carriers. These are lives you're talking about. Pilots with houses and families and kids. I'm sure you think all regional pilots are pimply faced ERAU grads under 25, but your groups hijack of the age 65 thing left most of us here a lot longer than we intended. So maybe you shouldn't be so cavalier about talking of eliminating "inefficient regionals". Unless it's really all about you and your profits (like an arrogant skygod).
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:49 AM
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The SkyWest pilots aren't to blame for this mess we find ourselves in.
Blaming the SkyWest folks for a mess that is largely ALPA's doing is silly...
Absolutely. I was an intern at one point for SkyWest and have seen both sides of Inc. and I think that we are very similar in more ways than one. If SkyWest Airlines tries to force a Pinnacle/GoJet contract down their throats, they will not be non-union for long.
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:58 AM
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Being that 30 % of our pilot group is ex alpa that will be a hard sell on this side.
Yeah, because things would be great at Skywest if JO or HK was your CEO. Or because TSA, Gojet, and Mesa would be better off if they were non-union. It's just ignorance or an excuse for not wanting to stop the whipsaw from our own CEO.

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OMG I CANT STOP LAUGHING!!!

So you're saying if we start being nice to you guys and stop making wisecracks about Moroni and Mainline, you'll let us on your list with our current seniority? That's AWESOME!!!
I'm saying if you start acting like adults and being professional you might help your case but the degrading of half of your company is childish, but you're obviously to junivile to see that.
And couldn't you be adults by not letting the few with childish remarks get in the way of stopping the whipsaw?
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Old 08-20-2013, 11:03 AM
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Yeah, because things would be great at Skywest if JO or HK was your CEO. Or because TSA, Gojet, and Mesa would be better off if they were non-union. It's just ignorance or an excuse for not wanting to stop the whipsaw from our own CEO.
Yet you said you would rather work for Hulas if XJT/Compass/TSA were on one list.....You just admitted that having a good CEO trumps union membership...Which is it?
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Old 08-20-2013, 11:06 AM
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Other half of my company? One half of MY company is ASA, the other half is ExpressJet. You work for SkyWest Airlines, a non union carrier which is being whipsawed against my company in order to undermine my union contract. Pilots who go to work for a non union company which exists solely to whipsaw a union company owned by the same holding company are only one short step from being a "crusty dried wound" in my opinion.

But sorry for being so juvenile when it comes to my pay and quality of life. Thanks for the lecture oh wise one.
Time out Cpt Tony....The SkyWest pilots aren't to blame for this mess we find ourselves in. The 3 main reasons are:

1. Failure by ALPA to implement brand scope over a decade ago when they had the opportunity...That ship has sailed and we now must deal with the consequences of ALPA's failure.

2. The Pinnacle/Endeavor contract....Not the SkyWest pay and workrules, but an ALPA negotiated and signed contract is putting the new pressure on our contract.

3. Our "brothers" over on the LXJT side with their silly PBS game they have been playing which dragged this out so that the concessions given by Eagle and Pinnacle now factor into "pattern bargaining".....Brilliant move by the LXJT children.

Blaming the SkyWest folks for a mess that is largely ALPA's doing is silly...Your starting to sound like Nevets.....
Once Skywest Inc wins flying, that is when we get whipsawed again against the Skywest airlines pilots. By the way, Skywest inc has 200 aircraft on order.

The PBS issue would have been resolved if your MEC would have compromised. It took them a year to come to that compromise. Not the XJT MEC's fault.
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Old 08-20-2013, 11:08 AM
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The SkyWest pilots aren't to blame for this mess we find ourselves in.
Blaming the SkyWest folks for a mess that is largely ALPA's doing is silly...
Absolutely. I was an intern at one point for SkyWest and have seen both sides of Inc. and I think that we are very similar in more ways than one. If SkyWest Airlines tries to force a Pinnacle/GoJet contract down their throats, they will not be non-union for long.
No, but Skywest inc is trying to do that to XJT. But that's ok since it doesn't directly affect them. What happens to all the Stop The Whipsaw Skywest pilots?
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