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11-22-2013, 12:11 PM
#4671
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 7ER B...whatever that means.
Posts: 3,966
Originally Posted by RamenNoodles
Was just chatting with a friend about this and wanted to share:
Section 25.P.2
Captains Flying as First Officers
a. A reserve captain may be required to fly as a first officer if no
reserve first officers are available to fly an assignment.
b. If both crewmembers are on reserve, the more senior reserve
(by pilot system seniority) will designate who will be captain and
first officer.
c. If the other crewmember is a lineholder, he will be the captain.
d. A reserve captain will not be required to fly more than 20 hours
as a first officer in a month.
e. The pilot will be paid and credited as a captain for the first
officer assignment.
f. A pilot retains the responsibility to determine if an assignment is
safe, and may reasonably refuse an assignment to fly as first officer.
Section 25.P.2
Captains Flying as First Officers
a. A reserve captain may be required to fly as a first officer if no
reserve first officers are available to fly an assignment.
b. If both crewmembers are on reserve, the more senior reserve
(by pilot system seniority) will designate who will be captain and
first officer.
c. If the other crewmember is a lineholder, he will be the captain.
d. A reserve captain will not be required to fly more than 20 hours
as a first officer in a month.
e. The pilot will be paid and credited as a captain for the first
officer assignment.
f. A pilot retains the responsibility to determine if an assignment is
safe, and may reasonably refuse an assignment to fly as first officer.
11-23-2013, 06:26 AM
#4672
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Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,951
Joe Merchant is wasting his breath trying to convince us to vote yes since he pledged months ago to vote yes for anything. That makes his opinion on the specifics irrelevant. He would have voted yes anyhow.
I'm voting no. This is insulting. I calculate a 20% loss in direct pay over the life of the contract. And I hope nobody like to go grab a beer on the overnight... that's one of the few remaining perks of this job. Now you'll check your messages at the bar at 2300 and find out your 1500 show has become 0900. And you're disciplined if you don't self notify and accept it.
I'm voting no. This is insulting. I calculate a 20% loss in direct pay over the life of the contract. And I hope nobody like to go grab a beer on the overnight... that's one of the few remaining perks of this job. Now you'll check your messages at the bar at 2300 and find out your 1500 show has become 0900. And you're disciplined if you don't self notify and accept it.
11-23-2013, 06:28 AM
#4673
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And I'll really enjoy being an FO for John R, Art, and Linda when I go back on reserve thanks to the 10% min res with no penalties, but no max. Read between the lines there folks... I predict 30% of the company becomes the new norm.
No vote from me. Go ahead and shut it down if this is the best you can do. You don't deserve to run an airline.
No vote from me. Go ahead and shut it down if this is the best you can do. You don't deserve to run an airline.
11-23-2013, 08:22 AM
#4674
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Posts: 1,014
Posted in the wrong thread again..
11-23-2013, 03:36 PM
#4675
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Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 103
N-O. my opinion anyway...
11-23-2013, 06:42 PM
#4676
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Position: 737 Left
Posts: 1,825
Captain Tony, I've flown with all 3. It helps prepare for the TMAAT questions at other airlines.
11-24-2013, 03:46 AM
#4677
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Joined APC: Sep 2009
Posts: 61
Originally Posted by RamenNoodles
Was just chatting with a friend about this and wanted to share:
Section 25.P.2
Captains Flying as First Officers
a. A reserve captain may be required to fly as a first officer if no
reserve first officers are available to fly an assignment.
b. If both crewmembers are on reserve, the more senior reserve
(by pilot system seniority) will designate who will be captain and
first officer.
c. If the other crewmember is a lineholder, he will be the captain.
d. A reserve captain will not be required to fly more than 20 hours
as a first officer in a month.
e. The pilot will be paid and credited as a captain for the first
officer assignment.
f. A pilot retains the responsibility to determine if an assignment is
safe, and may reasonably refuse an assignment to fly as first officer.
Section 25.P.2
Captains Flying as First Officers
a. A reserve captain may be required to fly as a first officer if no
reserve first officers are available to fly an assignment.
b. If both crewmembers are on reserve, the more senior reserve
(by pilot system seniority) will designate who will be captain and
first officer.
c. If the other crewmember is a lineholder, he will be the captain.
d. A reserve captain will not be required to fly more than 20 hours
as a first officer in a month.
e. The pilot will be paid and credited as a captain for the first
officer assignment.
f. A pilot retains the responsibility to determine if an assignment is
safe, and may reasonably refuse an assignment to fly as first officer.
This should cause an automatic NO vote from any captain currently on reserve or anyone hoping to upgrade any time soon. Right now, if the company can't find anything for me to do in the left seat of a 200, to the house I go. If this BS passes, I know scheduling will definitely find me something to do each and every time I think I'm going home, especially as new hires get harder to come by.
I was a fence sitter until I realized this little gem in the TA does more damage to my QOL as a reserve captain than all others combined.
Count me as a definite NO!
11-24-2013, 04:38 AM
#4678
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Position: I can fly.....I'm a pilot
Posts: 442
So I can't find any mention of GDOs for reserve so I assume they were given away. Haha as if I needed more reasons to vote no...
11-24-2013, 04:56 AM
#4679
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Originally Posted by somertime32
So I can't find any mention of GDOs for reserve so I assume they were given away. Haha as if I needed more reasons to vote no...
After reading the TA, I'm willing to call the company's bluff and vote NO. They're going to shrink us no matter how we vote with the draw down of 50 seaters so I'm not buying into the whole doom and gloom pitch.
11-24-2013, 06:37 AM
#4680
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Originally Posted by somertime32
So I can't find any mention of GDOs for reserve so I assume they were given away. Haha as if I needed more reasons to vote no...
After reading the TA, I'm willing to call the company's bluff and vote NO. They're going to shrink us no matter how we vote with the draw down of 50 seaters so I'm not buying into the whole doom and gloom pitch.
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