You still didn't explain how ALPA has control over which DCI carrier Delta awards flying to.
If Delta bought A380's, would ALPA have control over who that flying is awarded to? Yes, it would go to mainline because of the scope contract. When you release scope, it can have strings attached like it did with Compass. If it has no strings attached, or in your case the block ratios and 50 seat reductions, the flying is awarded to anyone Delta chooses. DALPA could have said as a condition of operating an addition of 70 76 seats jets, they must be placed at ALPA represented carriers.
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DALPA could have said as a condition of operating an addition of 70 76 seats jets, they must be placed at ALPA represented carriers.
Sure, they could have, and when management said "NO," what then? How much negotiating capital was DALPA willing to give up in order to get managment to say "YES?" Everything has a price. I would be willing to give up the hat, but not much else. There is only so much you can get with what capital you have, and negotiating so pilots at another carrier can profit over your own pilots is a good way to get a DFR lawsuit.
Not really. DAL renegged on their end of the deal when it came time to cover the training costs. They welshed. Keep that in mind for future negotiations with that sh!t bag management team you have...
Althought, to be fair, Delta only agreed to cover payments for training costs associated with the Delta Connection side of things. You'll distinctly recall Pinnacle Corp closing doors on its US Airways Express flying on the Colgan side (like the BOS base) just so they could better staff other flying, other bases. Now those training costs, someone going from US Airways Express to, say, United Express/Continental Express on the Qs is something Delta should never have to pay a dime for. It isn't their operation! Why fund your competitor's training? I think Delta was going to reimburse our training, until we had 11-09 and Delta saw that there was no fence, everyone could jump everywhere, and they had no interest in paying training fees for competitors. Had the vacancies/displacements remained separate until an operational integration was in place, then Delta in all likeliness would have paid up. But as it stood, if I was Delta management, I would not pay any training costs for Pinnacle Corp, knowing I'd be funding competitors.
If Delta bought A380's, would ALPA have control over who that flying is awarded to? Yes, it would go to mainline because of the scope contract. When you release scope, it can have strings attached like it did with Compass. If it has no strings attached, or in your case the block ratios and 50 seat reductions, the flying is awarded to anyone Delta chooses. DALPA could have said as a condition of operating an addition of 70 76 seats jets, they must be placed at ALPA represented carriers.
You're comparing apples to oranges. The 76 seater is allowed to be outsourced per the contract. That is gone, and the chance to regain it is thin at best. The A380 is the opposite end of the spectrum, and not even comparable. While your suggestion is not impossible, you actually have NO idea that it wasn't proposed. Perhaps your exact suggestion was proposed, and the cost was too expensive. Do you honestly think after what happened to Delta because of the Comair strike, that Delta would be willing to provide ALPA with that power?
If Delta bought A380's, would ALPA have control over who that flying is awarded to? Yes, it would go to mainline because of the scope contract. When you release scope, it can have strings attached like it did with Compass. If it has no strings attached, or in your case the block ratios and 50 seat reductions, the flying is awarded to anyone Delta chooses. DALPA could have said as a condition of operating an addition of 70 76 seats jets, they must be placed at ALPA represented carriers.
True could have but decided for what ever reason to do the 35% new hire thing.
You're comparing apples to oranges. The 76 seater is allowed to be outsourced per the contract. That is gone, and the chance to regain it is thin at best. The A380 is the opposite end of the spectrum, and not even comparable. While your suggestion is not impossible, you actually have NO idea that it wasn't proposed. Perhaps your exact suggestion was proposed, and the cost was too expensive. Do you honestly think after what happened to Delta because of the Comair strike, that Delta would be willing to provide ALPA with that power?
The point I think he has trying to make has less to do with the company and more with union that "represents" us both. The union that negotiated these planes also negotiated our jobs away at the DCI level. I can almost guarantee that no DCI pilot has the warm and fuzzies over that 35% deal. Why couldn't ALPA throw us a bone and ask that the new planes went to an ALPA carrier. Instead ALPA regionals are being dismantled and jobs being shifted to skywest and gojetsss. Thats a slap in the face from ALPA. The union that represents us is not protecting our jobs. DALPA got what it wanted with the parking of 50's but DCI ALPA pilots were thrown under the bus.
If I had a dollar everytime an ALPA pilot said the above statement.
Maybe it's time you guys all smell the roses and realize unions are a thing of the past and not a necessary evil, they are just evil. Get rid of them and every other one, start working on private contracts and realize Pinnacle (and all regionals) are not airlines, but rather staffing companies that need to start paying their employees by the hour.
The point I think he has trying to make has less to do with the company and more with union that "represents" us both. The union that negotiated these planes also negotiated our jobs away at the DCI level. I can almost guarantee that no DCI pilot has the warm and fuzzies over that 35% deal. Why couldn't ALPA throw us a bone and ask that the new planes went to an ALPA carrier. Instead ALPA regionals are being dismantled and jobs being shifted to skywest and gojetsss. Thats a slap in the face from ALPA. The union that represents us is not protecting our jobs. DALPA got what it wanted with the parking of 50's but DCI ALPA pilots were thrown under the bus.
Thing some folks forget is its not ALPA negotiating the contract but DALPA.I don't think that's the way it should work but it is the way its set up and as long as the by laws aren't broken ALPA national doesn't have much choice but to approve it.
You're comparing apples to oranges. The 76 seater is allowed to be outsourced per the contract. That is gone, and the chance to regain it is thin at best. The A380 is the opposite end of the spectrum, and not even comparable. While your suggestion is not impossible, you actually have NO idea that it wasn't proposed. Perhaps your exact suggestion was proposed, and the cost was too expensive. Do you honestly think after what happened to Delta because of the Comair strike, that Delta would be willing to provide ALPA with that power?
Look at the source. When it comes to Mesabah and scope I wouldn't waste your time trying to reason with him.
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