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Old 01-24-2016, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by whoareyou311 View Post
awac is a sinking ship
We could fill a book with what people don't know about AWAC
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Old 01-24-2016, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by whoareyou311 View Post
awac is a sinking ship
What regional isn't at this point. One could argue all the set backs Skywest will face in the coming years.
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Old 01-24-2016, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by billyho View Post
Exactly. Why merge a senior pilot group with a soon to be junior one? Remember Parker isn't using the flow to help the pilots. He wins on both fronts. First his labor cost a PDT/PSA/ENY drops a ton. Replacing a bunch of senior 100k Captains with 50K Captains is a win. Shaving the top of 3 regionals he's now got a bunch of former WO'ed Pilots in there early 40's to late 50's. at mainline at year one pay. And now Guess what? They won't be at the 12 year top scale at mainline long before they have to retire. Another win.
He'd rather hire all the AWAC folks as Street Captains. 1st year Captain pay and the fact they won't be able to flow for over 5-8 years. Win Win for Parker.
Should be an interesting year for a few regionals. Thank goodness all the majors will be hiring like crazy and they'll need all the pilots they can get.
I think that is skewed thinking. I know it might "sound wrong" to you, but PSA can't recruit enough pilots NOW, much less think they would gather even 30% of a 700+ pilot group if they were all released into the wild... What would draw them to PSA? Flow? It sure isn't pay, and all of the WO carriers have flow (better than PSA's). With Endeavor offering large bonuses and almost every other non-WO offering better pay what makes you think any would choose PSA? Like I said, to you it might make sense, but on the scale of money AA operates on, regional pilot pay is a drop in the bucket. They could guarantee 80+ percent of those pilots stay if they merge. THAT actually helps to solve their problem.

Like I said, maybe not likely... But a hell of a lot more help to AA if they want a boost to PSA manning than wishing and hoping a small percentage of AWAC pilots choose PSA over any other regional. Which is unlikely...
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Old 01-24-2016, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by akulahunter View Post
I think that is skewed thinking. I know it might "sound wrong" to you, but PSA can't recruit enough pilots NOW, much less think they would gather even 30% of a 700+ pilot group if they were all released into the wild... What would draw them to PSA? Flow? It sure isn't pay, and all of the WO carriers have flow (better than PSA's). With Endeavor offering large bonuses and almost every other non-WO offering better pay what makes you think any would choose PSA? Like I said, to you it might make sense, but on the scale of money AA operates on, regional pilot pay is a drop in the bucket. They could guarantee 80+ percent of those pilots stay if they merge. THAT actually helps to solve their problem.

Like I said, maybe not likely... But a hell of a lot more help to AA if they want a boost to PSA manning than wishing and hoping a small percentage of AWAC pilots choose PSA over any other regional. Which is unlikely...
Is AWAC recruiting pilots now? Are they getting anyone to come there?
Think a 100.00 Prepaid Visa Card to interview is going to draw anyone to AWAC, plus a 4-5 year upgrade and the fact you don't have any TA?
Parker doesn't have to recruit AWAC pilots because as long as AWAC doesn't have a TA or definite future why would anyone go there in todays market with the Majors hiring? People won't go there because there's to much uncertainty.
It's never even about PSA but more Piedmont. Remember Piedmont is gearing up for it's growth now and the routes they will start flying out of PHL will be AWAC's eventually.
Hell I remember when Republic started getting there 175s. Republic didn't have to recruit pilots at Piedmont. Piedmont's uncertainty, plus no new planes, plus 6 year upgrade alone made tons of our FO's flock over to Republic. Was it about pay? Nope, because our guys left to fly a Jet twice the size of a Dash for almost half the pay and almost no work rules.
AWAC doesn't sure up it's future then other airlines won't have to recruit there pilot because they'll all leave anyway. Seen it first hand.
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Old 01-25-2016, 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by billyho View Post
Is AWAC recruiting pilots now? Are they getting anyone to come there?
Think a 100.00 Prepaid Visa Card to interview is going to draw anyone to AWAC, plus a 4-5 year upgrade and the fact you don't have any TA?
Parker doesn't have to recruit AWAC pilots because as long as AWAC doesn't have a TA or definite future why would anyone go there in todays market with the Majors hiring? People won't go there because there's to much uncertainty.
It's never even about PSA but more Piedmont. Remember Piedmont is gearing up for it's growth now and the routes they will start flying out of PHL will be AWAC's eventually.
Hell I remember when Republic started getting there 175s. Republic didn't have to recruit pilots at Piedmont. Piedmont's uncertainty, plus no new planes, plus 6 year upgrade alone made tons of our FO's flock over to Republic. Was it about pay? Nope, because our guys left to fly a Jet twice the size of a Dash for almost half the pay and almost no work rules.
AWAC doesn't sure up it's future then other airlines won't have to recruit there pilot because they'll all leave anyway. Seen it first hand.
Nope, nobody is coming here, and nobody from here is leaving for PSA. But lots of FO attrition overall.
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Old 01-25-2016, 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Fleron270 View Post
Nope, nobody is coming here, and nobody from here is leaving for PSA. But lots of FO attrition overall.
Where are most going? At this point many don't have to go to another regional as JetBlue, Alligiant and a few others would love to have Jet Experience FO's that they know they will have for a long time due to not having PIC 121 time.
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Old 01-25-2016, 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by billyho View Post
Where are most going? At this point many don't have to go to another regional as JetBlue, Alligiant and a few others would love to have Jet Experience FO's that they know they will have for a long time due to not having PIC 121 time.
A lot are going to other regionals.
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Old 01-25-2016, 04:00 AM
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I guess I better start practicing to be an a$$-hat on the radio.
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Old 01-25-2016, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by billyho View Post
Is AWAC recruiting pilots now? Are they getting anyone to come there?
Think a 100.00 Prepaid Visa Card to interview is going to draw anyone to AWAC, plus a 4-5 year upgrade and the fact you don't have any TA?
Parker doesn't have to recruit AWAC pilots because as long as AWAC doesn't have a TA or definite future why would anyone go there in todays market with the Majors hiring? People won't go there because there's to much uncertainty.
It's never even about PSA but more Piedmont. Remember Piedmont is gearing up for it's growth now and the routes they will start flying out of PHL will be AWAC's eventually.
Hell I remember when Republic started getting there 175s. Republic didn't have to recruit pilots at Piedmont. Piedmont's uncertainty, plus no new planes, plus 6 year upgrade alone made tons of our FO's flock over to Republic. Was it about pay? Nope, because our guys left to fly a Jet twice the size of a Dash for almost half the pay and almost no work rules.
AWAC doesn't sure up it's future then other airlines won't have to recruit there pilot because they'll all leave anyway. Seen it first hand.
Sooo, at what point did anyone say we were recruiting more than anyone else or that we weren't having issues getting people (just like every other regional). The whole point of the discussion is that if new flying isnt announced the pilot group will probably be sold vice shutting the doors. No one even mentioned PDT except you and the discussion was that PSA would be an easy transition 'IF' AAG bought AWAC.

The doors here aren't going to just be chained shut. Almost every regional out there could use 700+ pilots. Who isn't having issues recruiting in this environment? If you can guarantee that most of your growth goal is met by one acquisition (probably a cheap one at that), why wouldnt you explore that instead of hoping that if an airline closed down that some percentage of them MIGHT go to a company you want to grow?

Like I said earlier, this might not happen. Hell, we could announce new 767 flying for amazon tomorrow. None of us knows what will happen... However, Billy, I'll bet you one adult beverage that we don't just close down. We'll either be merged, acquired or stay in business past this contract.
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Old 01-25-2016, 05:39 AM
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DOH.


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Even with DOH, AWAC would crush PSA and they would cry like Tom Brady. We are a group of crusty old farts. A few probably even knew the Wright Brothers.
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