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Old 07-30-2013, 08:03 AM
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You were going to cave in! You are weak minded and find the little strength you have in spreading fear. You are scared and not willing to stand your ground! You have no self worth and self respect.
IF I was a hiring manager, I wouldn't hire him. More interesting if finding reasons things won't work than offering solutions.

If I was general, I wouldn't enlist him in my army. Weaklings everywhere.
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:22 AM
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But you aren't neither a manager or a general.
Here is a solution, update your resume and get out.
Been doing it in hardcore fashion for a year and half. 1 job fair, 1 career expo, 1 screening, multiple emails between recruiters, consultant, and travels overseas. The jobs are out there. All I need is the right type rating and some TPIC.

I got one application ready for a screening too.

At this moment, the only option i have left is to volunteer for a union organization i disagree with and I think is bull hockey. I'm gonna do it anyway, because i am bored.

You are talking to someone who has been on that beat and will continue to do so. Now i am doing the union thing.

What have you done?

And here is a solution. Fight for your slice of the pie. In whatever fashion you can.

Or...sit back and be a complacent little *****. And take what's given to you.

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Old 07-30-2013, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot View Post
Ah, here comes the personal attacks.
Is not a personal attack, it's the attitude you portray on here.
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0 TPIC people are getting hired and the number will grow as the years go on but as of right now unless you're a minority, girl, or did an internship at ual your chances are slim. That will change of course as those applicants disappear but as of right now it's difficult.
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0 TPIC people are getting hired and the number will grow as the years go on but as of right now unless you're a minority, girl, or did an internship at ual your chances are slim. That will change of course as those applicants disappear but as of right now it's difficult.
Hey I am a minority, act like a girl when talking to RJ and they haven't called
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Old 07-30-2013, 05:27 PM
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We currently have 95% furlough protection. If things got so bad here that we needed to furlough the company would have to offer LOA, and if the company became so stagnant folks would be bailing out anyway so not worth it for 5%.
This is something that I hear Eagle guys getting wrong all the time. The 95% furlough protection was a snap shot on the day that contract was signed. They took the seniority list and circled the guy who was at 95% on the list. from then on, they only have to furlough protect up to that guy. So as he moves up the list to 90% then 80% they still only have to furlough protect up to that guy. its not always 95% of our list.

'What' also mentioned Eagle pilots go at 25%. not sure what thats about. The guys with numbers go in seniority order. then the 824 go at 50% but can be withheld to 20 per month. After the 824 go then i think it goes to 35% of new hire classes.
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This is something that I hear Eagle guys getting wrong all the time. The 95% furlough protection was a snap shot on the day that contract was signed. They took the seniority list and circled the guy who was at 95% on the list. from then on, they only have to furlough protect up to that guy. So as he moves up the list to 90% then 80% they still only have to furlough protect up to that guy. its not always 95% of our list.

'What' also mentioned Eagle pilots go at 25%. not sure what thats about. The guys with numbers go in seniority order. then the 824 go at 50% but can be withheld to 20 per month. After the 824 go then i think it goes to 35% of new hire classes.
My bad, there is not supposed to be a % after that 25, that's a typo. They were offering 50% or a minimum of 25 peeps a months, just an increase of 5 a month from what we currently have that you mentioned.

As far as the furlough protection, you are correct that 95 is only valid for that 95% pilot, they can continue to shrink the airline as long as that pilot or anyone above him is furloughed. The 95% was based on:

Jon protection LOA bullet #2

"If Eagle is divested or AMR and/or AA merges with another carrier while Eagle remains wholly owned, furlough protection will be provided to 95% of the Eagle pilots on the Eagle pilot system seniority list as of the date of the approval by the Bankruptcy Court of the restructuring agreement. The Company will produce a current pilot system seniority list as of the date of the approval by the Bankruptcy Court of the restructuring agreement and the Parties will determine the most junior pilot who will receive furlough protection in the event that this provision becomes applicable."

What I was alluding to was that the majority of the pilot group has furlough protection. There is maybe around 100 pilots who don't. If we are to furlough, those guys would want to be gone anyway and get hired at whoever is picking up the flying. My point was that the "improvements" they were asking for in exchange of a B scale were garbage to begin with since most of what they offered we had of some sort.
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Old 07-30-2013, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot View Post
Agree. Some guys are pure clueless...
Really, I placed an % by mistake. The 95% was a correct statement, they were offering to do 100% of everyone on property at the time of signing but that would only cover an extra 100 guys or so... remember we are not meeting our hiring goals and we haven't hired that many this year. I had to reply to another one of your fear bomb post and by I couldn't update it. Catch me some slack, it's hard arguing with delusional people who feel good about spreading fear to others.
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