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Old 07-29-2013, 09:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default What was the offer made to AE pilots?

It's from my understanding that the new hires will be subjected to a B scale. And as an ALPA carrier, B scales cannot be accepted by the union right?

So the current eagle pilots will continue to make what they make. Someone also mentioned going back to CA first year pay when you upgrade was part of the offer. Does pncl have that in their concession?

I think it's important to know as much about AE's offer and compare that with PSA's offer. If Airways is smart (which they are), they'll sweeten the pot little by little until one of us bites. We've just gotten our new contract 5 months ago, personally, asking for any pay concession is BS.
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Old 07-29-2013, 10:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
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At PNCL 1st year pay for upgrades was proposed and was a non-starter. CA's topped at 12 yr and FO's at 4yr.
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Old 07-30-2013, 02:31 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Wasn't there a pay freeze if they don't flow to AA also?
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Old 07-30-2013, 04:48 AM   #4 (permalink)
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The Eagle pilots never saw the proposal, we were given bullet points from the union.

The proposal offered no contract changes to the current Eagle pilots.

B scale for new hires

A guarantee of 60 large RJs and a fleet plan

If a pilot from the time of signing didn't flow his pay would frozen

100% furlough protection

Everyone on property would have a flow with a minimum of 25% occupancy at AA classes

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The first bullet doesn't matter because the contract changes the company is looking for will be obtained via the longevity adjustment in 2016. This is when the company will adjust the longevity of the senior pilots to match that of the lowest two regionals. Today it would be RAH and Pinnacle.

The B scale, the company is already spending a significant amount of money on new hires and hiring folks with benefits while they instruct. They are offering bonuses today! If you are struggling to hire new folks that you have to give them bonuses I don't see why you need to cut their pay except (read below)

A guarantee of 60 large RJ, by what I have heard from management and I have seen so far they are looking to employee people from college and CFI academy, pay them substandard wages at the regional (or at least now allow the pay to increase as the demands for pilots increases) and then send them to mainline. This is why they are hiring them before they have the 1500 hrs, they are tying up the new guys and putting them on a commitment contract. So they need airplanes for these guys to sign and Eagle already gives them a cost competitive contract and they know that but are making the final moves before they have to unveil their plans as time is ticking.

Most guys that don't flow will be maxed on their scale and if they are not they will be indexed to the bottom two regionals in two years so this bullet doesn't matter.

We currently have 95% furlough protection. If things got so bad here that we needed to furlough the company would have to offer LOA, and if the company became so stagnant folks would be bailing out anyway so not worth it for 5%.

We already have a guarantee of a minimum of 25% per class and after 824 have gone it goes 35% and if we furlough it has to go to a minimum of 50%


*******They have a plan for Eagle and they are going to do it, management is setting themselves up to take people from student CFI and then contract them out, then to the regional and followed by mainline. They already have us as a B scale workforce and there is no need to place out new hires at ay regional across the board. If we vote in a B scale we are interfering with the invisible hand. Supply and demand always wins and management makes money at Eagle and they are looking to continue to milk that cow.
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We were giving a fear laden email from our MEC. Actually never even seen a real offer from the company.

And since the "Union" was the only way I received an offer, as far as I am concerned, the offer (threats) came from them.
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So the seniority adjustment in 2016 will be matching the two lowest regionals across the board whether they fly for AA or not?

Then essentially everyone will be taking a payout in 2016 and I'm assuming this was the concession taken during bankruptcy.

The 60 larger RJs are great but when you guys have 150 Erjs that can potentially be parked, then it's not all too exciting. I do like the furlough protection and the 50% of new hires at AA if you guys do furlough.

There's a video of Kirby talking about the wholly owned airlines and how we need to match pinnacle rates to stay competitive. They're dangling the flow thru but didn't the flow at eagle take about a decade??

Either way, I hope Eagle/PSA/PDT MECs are in talks and stay strong together!

It's one thing to be bankrupted and ask for concessions, it's another to be making record profits and wanting to make even higher profit off of their least appreciated, underpaid and overworked regional divisions.
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So the seniority adjustment in 2016 will be matching the two lowest regionals across the board whether they fly for AA or not?

Then essentially everyone will be taking a payout in 2016 and I'm assuming this was the concession taken during bankruptcy.

The 60 larger RJs are great but when you guys have 150 Erjs that can potentially be parked, then it's not all too exciting. I do like the furlough protection and the 50% of new hires at AA if you guys do furlough.

There's a video of Kirby talking about the wholly owned airlines and how we need to match pinnacle rates to stay competitive. They're dangling the flow thru but didn't the flow at eagle take about a decade??

Either way, I hope Eagle/PSA/PDT MECs are in talks and stay strong together!

It's one thing to be bankrupted and ask for concessions, it's another to be making record profits and wanting to make even higher profit off of their least appreciated, underpaid and overworked regional divisions.
I am not sure that we are on the same page. If you read my post again read it as above the line was the proposal made by management that as someone mentioned and i put on my post we never saw and all we got was bullet points from our union. Below the line they are in sequential order describing what we have today compared to what they are offering. Hope that help!

The matching is not just any regional. They have to have 150 airframes or more and meet other requirements. Currently the only regionals that meet the criteria are SKW, EXJ, RAH & Pinnacle.
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Someone will cave in no matter how many websites they create to stop the whipsaw.
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Okay that makes more sense now. Thanks what!
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Reality is just a projection of perception. Collective consciousness. You have to change the collective consciousness to even have a chance.

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