Fatties dodged a bullet...for now...
11-24-2013, 03:55 PM
#61
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Originally Posted by JohnnyG
While you have a point, (and a hilarious one at that) bodybuilding is not the same as being some fat lazy woman. 
11-24-2013, 04:06 PM
#62
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
You are 100% correct that it is a privilege. For commercial pilots, however, it is also how you make a living. I'm not saying you shouldn't be disqualified if you have a disqualifying condition because of safety, but to what end? If the FAA is going to mandate testing above what is already required and in the past you have demonstrated you have met that standard, then the FAA needs to foot the bill. It shouldn't be permitted that the government arbitrarily imposes new regulations that end up costing us more money. If you do something that puts your certificate in jeopardy, that is your fault and the government should not be liable.
What will you do when the FAA comes to you and says that since X% of people over the age of 50 are more prone to arthritis? They say you risk not being able to control the aircraft so we need to have you send a copy of a MRI of every joint to the FAA once a year. There is no way your medical coverage would not cover that. Where does it stop? Family history? Can they make you pay for at CAT scan because your dad had a brain tumor? This isn't about meeting the health portion of the medical. This is about radical moves that could potentially cost pilots THOUSANDS of dollars. All for what? Because there is a 2% chance that fatigue caused by OSA at the end of a long day might be one of 40 contributing factors to an accident?
What will you do when the FAA comes to you and says that since X% of people over the age of 50 are more prone to arthritis? They say you risk not being able to control the aircraft so we need to have you send a copy of a MRI of every joint to the FAA once a year. There is no way your medical coverage would not cover that. Where does it stop? Family history? Can they make you pay for at CAT scan because your dad had a brain tumor? This isn't about meeting the health portion of the medical. This is about radical moves that could potentially cost pilots THOUSANDS of dollars. All for what? Because there is a 2% chance that fatigue caused by OSA at the end of a long day might be one of 40 contributing factors to an accident?
Maybe that's not likely in the near term...but it's something to think about...
The flying public demands safety. There have been a lot of GA accidents in recent years attributed to significant medical problems. These accidents involved family members and people from other families that have likely sued everyone involved. Should the medical standards be less because there are two pilots on board? Another good question to ponder.
Our society is getting fatter and fatter and that is real.
11-24-2013, 04:21 PM
#63
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The real question you have to ask yourself is how much risk are you willing to accept? People will die in plane crashes. End of discussion. Government and corporate culture today attempts to mitigate risk by eliminating risk when doing so is literally impossible. Passengers on GA aircraft and airlines alike accept some varying amount of risk when you step on board. Should we do everything in our power to ensure the safest possible conclusion? Yes. Can you prevent everything from happening? No.
The same argument can be made with airport security. There will ALWAYS be a threat and you and I all know that now that threat doesn't come in the form of a passenger as much as it does with various other things. How much do you continue to crank down on security until you've violated every single person's rights? How do such invasive tactics make us different from the Chinese government we all detest?
You can't possibly prevent every bad situation from happening. Even with a fully automated aircraft, there will still be some decimal percentage chance of a catastrophic failure. People will still die. If you want to eliminate the risk, never leave your house. Just don't read about carbon monoxide poisoning or deadly spiders.
The same argument can be made with airport security. There will ALWAYS be a threat and you and I all know that now that threat doesn't come in the form of a passenger as much as it does with various other things. How much do you continue to crank down on security until you've violated every single person's rights? How do such invasive tactics make us different from the Chinese government we all detest?
You can't possibly prevent every bad situation from happening. Even with a fully automated aircraft, there will still be some decimal percentage chance of a catastrophic failure. People will still die. If you want to eliminate the risk, never leave your house. Just don't read about carbon monoxide poisoning or deadly spiders.
11-24-2013, 04:40 PM
#64
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
The real question you have to ask yourself is how much risk are you willing to accept? People will die in plane crashes. End of discussion. Government and corporate culture today attempts to mitigate risk by eliminating risk when doing so is literally impossible. Passengers on GA aircraft and airlines alike accept some varying amount of risk when you step on board. Should we do everything in our power to ensure the safest possible conclusion? Yes. Can you prevent everything from happening? No.
The same argument can be made with airport security. There will ALWAYS be a threat and you and I all know that now that threat doesn't come in the form of a passenger as much as it does with various other things. How much do you continue to crank down on security until you've violated every single person's rights? How do such invasive tactics make us different from the Chinese government we all detest?
You can't possibly prevent every bad situation from happening. Even with a fully automated aircraft, there will still be some decimal percentage chance of a catastrophic failure. People will still die. If you want to eliminate the risk, never leave your house. Just don't read about carbon monoxide poisoning or deadly spiders.
The same argument can be made with airport security. There will ALWAYS be a threat and you and I all know that now that threat doesn't come in the form of a passenger as much as it does with various other things. How much do you continue to crank down on security until you've violated every single person's rights? How do such invasive tactics make us different from the Chinese government we all detest?
You can't possibly prevent every bad situation from happening. Even with a fully automated aircraft, there will still be some decimal percentage chance of a catastrophic failure. People will still die. If you want to eliminate the risk, never leave your house. Just don't read about carbon monoxide poisoning or deadly spiders.
Otherwise, I agree.
11-25-2013, 06:28 AM
#65
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Originally Posted by Bzzt
There is a definite basis to assume a fatty has a sleeping disorder. People are fighting this because the unions don't want to lose dues. I really hope some legislation goes through to combat the obese pilots.
11-25-2013, 06:58 AM
#66
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Treating the disorder can actually add years to an individuals life. So, you go out on medical for a period of time. Wow! free paid vacation at a reduced rate. Understandably that my lifestyle would allow it being I'm a broke F/O anyways.
We have all stayed in crash pads and heard the guy next to us choking all night. I don't think the legislation is a bad thing. Fatigue is a major issue for us!
Now the flip side, how about the FAA pays for all required testing! I don't think it's fair to require the applicant to pay for an examine that doesn't have an indicators of the condition......
We have all stayed in crash pads and heard the guy next to us choking all night. I don't think the legislation is a bad thing. Fatigue is a major issue for us!
Now the flip side, how about the FAA pays for all required testing! I don't think it's fair to require the applicant to pay for an examine that doesn't have an indicators of the condition......
11-25-2013, 08:25 AM
#67
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Originally Posted by SeamusTheHound
You must be using a different BMI calculator than this:
Calculate Your BMI - Standard BMI Calculator
On that one, your BMI is 35.
Calculate Your BMI - Standard BMI Calculator
On that one, your BMI is 35.
11-25-2013, 10:14 AM
#68
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Originally Posted by HotMamaPilot
Agreed; it would be best for everyone to get these tubbies some discipline, i.e. diet AND exercise.
Women should also be required to go through weekly pregnancy tests and the effects of menstrual cycle be evaluated each month to determine you are of sound mind and body to conduct flight operations.
Mandatory exercise routines will be outlined by local FSDO. Should you miss a required day, you will be required to make it up prior to any scheduled duty.
Your comment is ridiculous.
11-25-2013, 08:49 PM
#70
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How about this, if your 5K time is under 35:00 you're okay, above 45:00 needs an evaluation.
Hell lets go all the way military with it...sit ups in 2:00, pull ups, 5K, and (my personal favorite) A DEADLIFT!!
Let's get this group aesthetic!
Hell lets go all the way military with it...sit ups in 2:00, pull ups, 5K, and (my personal favorite) A DEADLIFT!!
Let's get this group aesthetic!
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