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#381
The flow continues regardless of our size. All stoping shrinking does is bring upgrades sooner. Time to flow doesn't change.
#382
#383
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Very, very few. 99% find them fine pilots and people. Some are now even AA captains themselves.
But if your quip results in a wannabe $250,000/year GV captain who really is a washed up alcoholic Envoy pilot enjoying crusty nasal passages, I like it !
But if your quip results in a wannabe $250,000/year GV captain who really is a washed up alcoholic Envoy pilot enjoying crusty nasal passages, I like it !
#384
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The flow is a mechanism to get new hires at the regional level, not a measure to get current pilots to the mainline because they really like you.
If they can't staff Envoy, Envoy won't flow. Fly it and grieve it.
#385
You honestly believe Pedro when he says "We'll park planes instead of meter the flow?" If you do I'll sponsor you to take a junior college course in economics.
The flow is a mechanism to get new hires at the regional level, not a measure to get current pilots to the mainline because they really like you.
If they can't staff Envoy, Envoy won't flow. Fly it and grieve it.
The flow is a mechanism to get new hires at the regional level, not a measure to get current pilots to the mainline because they really like you.
If they can't staff Envoy, Envoy won't flow. Fly it and grieve it.
The way it's designed, it works regardless if we are large or small. Either way, our most junior guys are at AA inside of six years under their plan.
#386
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A good reason to not be committed to staffing 170 jets then, wouldn't you say? If we can fly that many or more, great; but our only mandate is 40. Play it your way, Let the pilot supply dry up; we'll just all flow as it shrinks then.
The way it's designed, it works regardless if we are large or small. Either way, our most junior guys are at AA inside of six years under their plan.
The way it's designed, it works regardless if we are large or small. Either way, our most junior guys are at AA inside of six years under their plan.
I'm not saying that going to Envoy as a brand new CFI is a bad idea, in fact it's likely the smartest move right now. I don't think it's smart to make a lateral move to Envoy and the flow is not nearly as iron clad as the company is telling everyone through you.
Edit: If I was still an Envoy pilot I'd be awfully worried about you and the rest of the union cutting deals to ensure your flow at the expense of the rest of the pilot group. It's Team Tony all over again.
#387
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Looks to me like nothing has changed.
#388
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You honestly believe Pedro when he says "We'll park planes instead of meter the flow?" If you do I'll sponsor you to take a junior college course in economics.
The flow is a mechanism to get new hires at the regional level, not a measure to get current pilots to the mainline because they really like you.
If they can't staff Envoy, Envoy won't flow. Fly it and grieve it.
The flow is a mechanism to get new hires at the regional level, not a measure to get current pilots to the mainline because they really like you.
If they can't staff Envoy, Envoy won't flow. Fly it and grieve it.
By late this year, Envoy will likely be in the same place PSA is now and will need to either park aircraft or re-shift it elsewhere. I think he knows this and is busting his hump for the executives and himself to net as many unsuspecting fish as possible.
#389
Envoy has somthing like 2000 pilots now. According to the cheerleader, they will announce shortly that they will keep more aircraft longer. That means they will have to start hiring like gangbusters @ 40-50 per month. If they can't do that, this whole plan melts like ice cream on a hot sidewalk. Once that reality becomes obvious, I can see this plan in place for a few months for PSA to catch up on their training, but not longer.
By late this year, Envoy will likely be in the same place PSA is now and will need to either park aircraft or re-shift it elsewhere. I think he knows this and is busting his hump for the executives and himself to net as many unsuspecting fish as possible.
By late this year, Envoy will likely be in the same place PSA is now and will need to either park aircraft or re-shift it elsewhere. I think he knows this and is busting his hump for the executives and himself to net as many unsuspecting fish as possible.
#390
Envoy has somthing like 2000 pilots now. According to the cheerleader, they will announce shortly that they will keep more aircraft longer. That means they will have to start hiring like gangbusters @ 40-50 per month. If they can't do that, this whole plan melts like ice cream on a hot sidewalk. Once that reality becomes obvious, I can see this plan in place for a few months for PSA to catch up on their training, but not longer.
By late this year, Envoy will likely be in the same place PSA is now and will need to either park aircraft or re-shift it elsewhere. I think he knows this and is busting his hump for the executives and himself to net as many unsuspecting fish as possible.
By late this year, Envoy will likely be in the same place PSA is now and will need to either park aircraft or re-shift it elsewhere. I think he knows this and is busting his hump for the executives and himself to net as many unsuspecting fish as possible.
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