Tricked: PDT keeping turboprops anyway
#21
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
The line pilot is ALPA. The reps the line pilots elect are ALPA. The Mec officers the reps elect are ALPA. Therefore we are ALPA. So if ALPa is to blame, that is the same as saying we are to blame. Only a line pilot, in this case an ALPA line pilot can ratify these things. Once we can recognize the problem, us, then we can start thinking of how to fix it.
#22
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Joined APC: Sep 2008
Posts: 239
The line pilot is ALPA. The reps the line pilots elect are ALPA. The Mec officers the reps elect are ALPA. Therefore we are ALPA. So if ALPa is to blame, that is the same as saying we are to blame. Only a line pilot, in this case an ALPA line pilot can ratify these things. Once we can recognize the problem, us, then we can start thinking of how to fix it.
#26
What we gave up? Higher insurance premiums. I expect my insurance to go from around $100-150 to around $250-300. In addition we accrue less sick time. It went from 4hrs a month to 3.5 so a loss of 6hrs per year.
Agreement is valid for 10 years. Union and company are allowed to bring 5 items for negotiation in both 2018 and 2022.
#27
Tricked: PDT keeping turboprops anyway
YX current year 1 on EJet. ( this is a 2007 CBA rate). $22.95/hr
Year 4. $36.62/hr
YX rejected TA Rate. $26.00/hr
Year 4. $42.42/hr
PDT (accepted) new jet rate. $24.00/hr
Year 4. $39.10/hr
YX rejected 10 year rate. $49.42/hr
PDT accepted 10 yr rate. $43.28/hr
To be clear PDT accepted a 76 seat jet rate in 2014 that is $1.05/hr more than YX 50 seat jet rate from 2007 year one, and $2.48 more than 2007 50 seat rate year 4. They also locked themselves into a 10 year salary cap that is $6.00/hr less than the rates YX rejected because they were 2011 rates for the size aircraft. No matter what PDT pilots claim, they lowered the bar to get Ejets they may/ may not get, and for Flow they may or may not ever see.
For the new guys, I wouldn't recommend YX with a 7 year old contract so I definitely would think twice about PDT. You are locking into what will become the worst contract available in the next 2-4 years all for a promise of quick upgrade and flow, you may/may not see.
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Last edited by SenecaII; 09-16-2014 at 06:37 PM.
#28
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Joined APC: Apr 2009
Posts: 26
Here's what they really gained ( I hope all new pilots looking at PDT pay attention here )
YX current year 1 on EJet. ( this is a 2007 CBA rate). $22.95/hr
Year 4. $36.62/hr
YX rejected TA Rate. $26.00/hr
Year 4. $42.42/hr
PDT (accepted) new jet rate. $24.00/hr
Year 4. $39.10/hr
YX rejected 10 year rate. $49.42/hr
PDT accepted 10 yr rate. $43.28/hr
To be clear PDT accepted a 76 seat jet rate in 2014 that is $1.05/hr more than YX 50 seat jet rate from 2007 year one, and $2.48 more than 2007 50 seat rate year 4. They also locked themselves into a 10 year salary cap that is $6.00/hr less than the rates YX rejected because they were 2011 rates for the size aircraft. No matter what PDT pilots claim, they lowered the bar to get Ejets they may/ may not get, and for Flow they may or may not ever see.
For the new guys, I wouldn't recommend YX with a 7 year old contract so I definitely would think twice about PDT. You are locking into what will become the worst contract available in the next 2-4 years all for a promise of quick upgrade and flow, you may/may not see.
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YX current year 1 on EJet. ( this is a 2007 CBA rate). $22.95/hr
Year 4. $36.62/hr
YX rejected TA Rate. $26.00/hr
Year 4. $42.42/hr
PDT (accepted) new jet rate. $24.00/hr
Year 4. $39.10/hr
YX rejected 10 year rate. $49.42/hr
PDT accepted 10 yr rate. $43.28/hr
To be clear PDT accepted a 76 seat jet rate in 2014 that is $1.05/hr more than YX 50 seat jet rate from 2007 year one, and $2.48 more than 2007 50 seat rate year 4. They also locked themselves into a 10 year salary cap that is $6.00/hr less than the rates YX rejected because they were 2011 rates for the size aircraft. No matter what PDT pilots claim, they lowered the bar to get Ejets they may/ may not get, and for Flow they may or may not ever see.
For the new guys, I wouldn't recommend YX with a 7 year old contract so I definitely would think twice about PDT. You are locking into what will become the worst contract available in the next 2-4 years all for a promise of quick upgrade and flow, you may/may not see.
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