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Old 10-01-2014, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by be76flyer View Post
Ray, Greg, Jim or everyone's always favorite Russian?
Wow. I didn't know these guys were that well known! One of the first three. I was about to comment, "Hey, I write human factors/CRM articles for Twin and Turbine, AOPA, Professional Pilot, The Air Force Air Mobility Forum, Aerosafety World, and Avweb. I also conduct CRM and standardization training for corporate flight departments (just trained a Fortune 10 company last month) and speak at NBAA events about these sorts of things. Do you mind if I use you in my next article/class? Can I take your picture for a slide? How do you spell your last name..."
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Old 10-01-2014, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by be76flyer View Post
Ray, Greg, Jim or everyone's always favorite Russian?
My first clue should have been the briefing..."I probably don't fly like most of the guys you're used to flying with..."
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Old 10-05-2014, 09:43 AM
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The flying public does not know how much an FO at a regional, a Capt at a Regional, or a new FO at a major makes. I have had people get mad at me when they ask me what a new FO at a major makes and I told them. Once guy got very mad and called me a liar as he went down the jetway. I told him that it takes about 10 years be become an FO at a major and then they make about 35k. He kept saying it had to be over 6 figures. Maybe the 6 figure income is correct, if you add in his wife's salary his pizza delivery job, and the bump when the tooth fairy takes one of his kid's teeth.

Its all a big secret from the public. But, without the airline pilot, all of these parent's basements would be empty.
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Old 10-05-2014, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Cgo John View Post
The flying public does not know how much an FO at a regional, a Capt at a Regional, or a new FO at a major makes. I have had people get mad at me when they ask me what a new FO at a major makes and I told them. Once guy got very mad and called me a liar as he went down the jetway. I told him that it takes about 10 years be become an FO at a major and then they make about 35k. He kept saying it had to be over 6 figures. Maybe the 6 figure income is correct, if you add in his wife's salary his pizza delivery job, and the bump when the tooth fairy takes one of his kid's teeth.

Its all a big secret from the public. But, without the airline pilot, all of these parent's basements would be empty.
I personally don't think it's professional to tell pax how much you make. I'd defer the question and walk away.
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Old 10-05-2014, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Beech90 View Post
I personally don't think it's professional to tell pax how much you make. I'd defer the question and walk away.
I think in our situation it needs to be highlighted so it gets the much attention needed. It's criminal what they pay us. If nobody knows, nothing will ever be done to fix the problem.
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Old 10-05-2014, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Beech90 View Post
I personally don't think it's professional to tell pax how much you make. I'd defer the question and walk away.
It is unprofessional to ask a complete stranger how much they make, regardless of profession.
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Old 10-05-2014, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Beech90 View Post
I personally don't think it's professional to tell pax how much you make. I'd defer the question and walk away.
Complaining on pilot boards is much more effective for spreading the word.
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Old 10-05-2014, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Cgo John View Post
The flying public does not know how much an FO at a regional, a Capt at a Regional, or a new FO at a major makes. I have had people get mad at me when they ask me what a new FO at a major makes and I told them. Once guy got very mad and called me a liar as he went down the jetway. I told him that it takes about 10 years be become an FO at a major and then they make about 35k. He kept saying it had to be over 6 figures. Maybe the 6 figure income is correct, if you add in his wife's salary his pizza delivery job, and the bump when the tooth fairy takes one of his kid's teeth.

Its all a big secret from the public. But, without the airline pilot, all of these parent's basements would be empty.
The reason he didn't believe you, is because what you said is incorrect. While no major FO makes 6 figures first year, the only one i can think of that might make $35k is Sun Country, and I imagine those guys after all is said and done make more than $35k first year.
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Old 10-05-2014, 12:55 PM
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It is unprofessional to ask a complete stranger how much they make, regardless of profession.
I hear in China local citizens will come up to you in the street and ask that question. Must be okay in their culture.
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Old 10-05-2014, 01:09 PM
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I thought first year FO pay at the majors was usually around 60k.


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