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Old 04-02-2015, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru View Post
You need more FO's to actually increase FO staffing since any increase in captain staffing obviously draws from the FO side. 15/15 would only keep the number of FO's constant while continually adding to CA numbers. So the 25 new hires per class (50/mo) is about right factoring in washout rate, attrition, etc. in order to actually drive an increase in the total number of FO's.
I understand what you are saying, but I am just wondering if we can even meet just the new flying. Yes, we lose FO's when they upgrade to CA. But can we even get enough through IOE to cover these?

If the wait time for IOE is 2 months, there must be over 100 pilots getting paid to sit at home. Seems ridiculous.
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Old 04-02-2015, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules View Post
Most of the guys upgrading within a few months of getting off IOE have a ton of experience. And that's good, we need experienced CAs.

Yet we have 12 year comair FO and former endeavor CA fail out the last class.


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Old 04-02-2015, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyDingus View Post
Yet we have 12 year comair FO and former endeavor CA fail out the last class.


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Well, if nothing else, it shows we have high standards.
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Old 04-02-2015, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyDingus View Post
Yet we have 12 year comair FO and former endeavor CA fail out the last class.


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What was the former CA's story? Did he live in one of PSA's bases or something? That's a strange move if he was that senior at Endeavor.
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Old 04-02-2015, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by FLYZERG View Post
What was the former CA's story? Did he live in one of PSA's bases or something? That's a strange move if he was that senior at Endeavor.

Not sure what the story was.


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Old 04-02-2015, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyDingus View Post
Yet we have 12 year comair FO and former endeavor CA fail out the last class.


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Did these two fail out of Initial FO training or Upgrade training?
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Old 04-02-2015, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Doogi View Post
Did these two fail out of Initial FO training or Upgrade training?
Upgrade

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Old 04-02-2015, 03:48 PM
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Im former 121 and I'm thinking of taking my upgrade bid out since things are moving so quickly. I'd like to become more familiar with the CRJ and company ops before I upgrade and learning all that in 2-3 months will be tough.
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Old 04-02-2015, 07:51 PM
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As one of the 6 month wonders, I will tell you that upgrade is crazy intense. They make it explicitly clear that they are out to break you if they can when you ask why so intense.

It is primarily because you will be flying with so many new F/Os and CRJs are pretty fragile machines compared to Boeings and Airbuses.

Take it for what it is worth from someone with 20+ years of 121 and a handful of transport category jet types (12,500 to 355,000#s).

I sweated every minute of it until my final line check.

Not to scare anyone who has the skills. Just be prepared when it's your turn.
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Old 04-02-2015, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyDingus View Post
Yet we have 12 year comair FO and former endeavor CA fail out the last class.


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Well that's a resume killer - assuming PSA must report the failing event?
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