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Old 03-05-2015, 05:45 PM
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April 15th is supposedly the merger date so negotiations will start soon after.
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Old 03-05-2015, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader View Post
Thanks for sharing. The timeframe is pretty definitive. The language on what they "have" to do is very weak. I thought the single operating certificate wasn't getting done for a few more months?
Agreed that the language is weak.

I've heard rumors that it gets done in April and also rumors that it would be this fall......at best.

It seems to me it would be in their best interest to increase the number to at least 10. If that were the case in about 3 years time the most senior guy on the list not counting the 50ish that bypassed will be 3-4 years. They'll have themselves a 150 acft airline at ridiculous cheap labor prices. This is the plan they sold us all along. Time to find out if they were lying(probably).
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Old 03-05-2015, 05:48 PM
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Agreed that the language is weak.

I've heard rumors that it gets done in April and also rumors that it would be this fall......at best.

It seems to me it would be in their best interest to increase the number to at least 10. If that were the case in about 3 years time the most senior guy on the list not counting the 50ish that bypassed will be 3-4 years. They'll have themselves a 150 acft airline at ridiculous cheap labor prices. This is the plan they sold us all along. Time to find out if they were lying(probably).
I don't see why this wouldn't be their ideal plan. Key word: ideal. It keeps guys flowing up to AAG and keeps regional labor costs down. Everyone is happy. Of course a lot can change in the next few years that could send the airlines for another spiral. We shall see.
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Old 03-05-2015, 05:58 PM
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I don't see why this wouldn't be their ideal plan. Key word: ideal. It keeps guys flowing up to AAG and keeps regional labor costs down. Everyone is happy. Of course a lot can change in the next few years that could send the airlines for another spiral. We shall see.
I think it would be ideal if there weren't such a shortage of
Fresh meat these days. Let's face it, even PSA would struggle to hire if they didn't have plenty of pilots coming from other 121 carriers.
So your right, it would be ideal if everything else was ideal. Right now though, they want to keep their regionals staffed. Major staffing will never be an issue.

This is why flows don't work. Ask my friends here at envoy who waited 16 years to flow after they were told they would be there in 3 years. Even now, our flow has once again stalled. There is always a reason.
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Old 03-05-2015, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader View Post
I think it would be ideal if there weren't such a shortage of
Fresh meat these days. Let's face it, even PSA would struggle to hire if they didn't have plenty of pilots coming from other 121 carriers.
So your right, it would be ideal if everything else was ideal. Right now though, they want to keep their regionals staffed. Major staffing will never be an issue.

This is why flows don't work. Ask my friends here at envoy who waited 16 years to flow after they were told they would be there in 3 years. Even now, our flow has once again stalled. There is always a reason.
I mean, I see flows as a carrot to get guys on the top-end of the seniority list onboard with whatever it is the company wants from its pilot group. The biggest attractant to new hires is the allure of being able to get in, get TPIC time quickly, and moving on to whatever their heart desires. Which is currently what PSA offers.
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Old 03-05-2015, 06:51 PM
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Old 03-05-2015, 07:35 PM
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April 8th, guys.. That's the SOC date.

Here's to a brighter future. Good luck to all of you over there.
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Old 03-05-2015, 07:52 PM
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April 8th, guys.. That's the SOC date.

Here's to a brighter future. Good luck to all of you over there.
Sources and links please. I've seen nothing in writing.
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Old 03-06-2015, 05:32 AM
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18 months is the current rumor. Any truth?
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Old 03-06-2015, 05:59 AM
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18 months is the current rumor. Any truth?
I don't know where that rumor is from......

There are guys upgrading right now at 6 months.

How long that will last is a guessing game.
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