skypilot35

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OnCenterline

To get this back on track, I will wager that Great Lakes and Silver are beginning the inevitable role of the law of unintended consequences to the new post-Colgan rules requiring airline captains to log 1,000 hours of SIC time before upgrading.

It's one of the few sections in that law that actually makes sense, yet the ramifications are huge. If they need to upgrade people, and can't, then they can't staff.

The EAS program will (hopefully) begin a necessary slide to oblivion as a result.

Flightcap

Guessing that other companies operating EAS lines under a 135 cert will pick up the slack. Lakes isn't the only part 135 EAS carrier out there that pays ridiculous wages, it's just the biggest and best-known.

Bassman1985

Silver's issue with staffing isn't upgrades, it's new FOs. They hired street captains in 2012, that's been the go-to staffing strategy when upgrades are too quick to promote from within. New FOs come there now, realize that they won't upgrade before the end of the decade, get sick of the horrible treatment by mgmt and scheduling, combined with the low pay, and bail after a few months when they get the call from the better company that didn't call before they had an ATP and a type rating. 3M has become a place to enhance your resume to move on to another regional, not a major. This pattern means they are shelling out major $$$ for training to replace all the attrition, but it's all off the bottom half of the list. Even a 12k signing bonus isn't enough to keep people around. Give it enough time, and they are going to fold. Great Mistakes may beat them to it, but it will be a close race.

IBPilot

You missed the point totally

Allegheny

I am not int the regional industry and so I am not up on all the details of that segment of the industry. I went to the Silver Airlines site and wikepedia and found that Silver received over 20 million in essential service fees. They are also receive fee for departure income from code sharing with United an other carriers. Isn't that enough income to keep the company solvent? Or is it simply a matter of not being able to staff the airline with pilots?

As for Great Lakes, their web site states the following:

Attention Future Airline Crew-members:
Great Lakes Airlines is pleased to announce on March 18, 2014, the FAA approved our FAR 135 Operation Specifications addition to our current FAR 121 Certificate. To clarify, Great Lakes Airlines does not have a separate “135 Certificate”, but an allowance through our Operations Specifications to conduct scheduled airline operations under our current 121 Certificate allowances using the Beech 1900D fleet.
This new undertaking allows us to hire First Officers meeting FAR 135 qualifications. They will gain the flight time and experience required for the Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) or Restricted-ATP (R-ATP) certification requirements. Once they meet these requirements they will then have the ability to start building the required time to upgrade to a 121 Captain.



I guess this is the condition that they keep the aircraft to 9 pax or less? Is that correct? With the income from essential air service, guaranteed, and allowing for low time pilots I don't see why they would not be able to staff. Are they that bad to their people?


Again sorry if I seem out of it but from a basic business standpoint this doesn't make sense.

ClickClickBoom

Doesn't 3M make tape and stuff?

tom11011

Lol, good one

tom11011

Can you post it?

snippercr

My understanding was that they originally just wanted to limit the number of passengers to 9 or less. So if they need a 135 FO, they would just limit it to 9 warm bodies on the airplane. Fortunately, the FAA said they had to physically remove the seats which then requires a modified TC. I wonder how much money that cost and if the savings were worth it.