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Old 11-21-2014, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067 View Post
Spend some time in the left seat and you will quickly find out.
That might take a while, but you'd like to share your insight I'd be interested to get your perspective.
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Old 11-21-2014, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067 View Post
Spend some time in the left seat and you will quickly find out.
So what do you think about single seat military guys? By your rational they will never be good FOs. Delta sure has a lot of bad FOs then.
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Old 11-21-2014, 05:25 PM
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From my experience, excluding egotistic mainline pilots, the only ones who don't want RJ FOs to get major airline interviews are RJ CAs who can't get an interview themselves. Once you realize that, you just let it roll off your shoulders as you move on to a major with no TPIC.

TPIC depends solely on a seniority driven out-sourced feed system. One day your regional is doing great, then another day it is not. Had I not moved on, I'd still be a RJ FO on 8th year FO pay with about 7000 hrs RJ SIC.
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Old 11-21-2014, 06:09 PM
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I love these boards. Even when pilots get some good news it's still doom and gloom.
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Old 11-21-2014, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Erdude32 View Post
I'll say outloud what myself & others at mainline are thinking: Regional FOs with no turbine PIC do not belong at mainline and should not be granted an interview.
Since you feel that way. Sit down relax and enjoy my point of view on your elite mentality. YOU sir are the exact reason this industry is in the shape it is in. The mentality of us and them. No other professional would draw such a strong line in the sand. If you were a true professional a great leader and mentor which is the primary requirements for a great captain. You would spend less time thinking how and why you are better, and we are not worthy. Instead maybe how can they all come on board. How can we bring all this flying inhouse? How can we build unity. But you need to elevate yourself to compensate for what you are lacking in yourself. That same FO flies his plane safely, timely. He acts as a true professional. Doing his best all while being underpaid and unappreciated. Yet that same FO who can't provide a future to his family in order to cut cost so the parent company's pilots can take home profit sharing checks. Still shows you the utmost respect as a colleague and equal. Your ego and misguided beliefs deserve a golf clap. (Clap clap)
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Old 11-21-2014, 07:07 PM
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Since you feel that way. Sit down relax and enjoy my point of view on your elite mentality. YOU sir are the exact reason this industry is in the shape it is in. The mentality of us and them. No other professional would draw such a strong line in the sand. If you were a true professional a great leader and mentor which is the primary requirements for a great captain. You would spend less time thinking how and why you are better, and we are not worthy. Instead maybe how can they all come on board. How can we bring all this flying inhouse? How can we build unity. But you need to elevate yourself to compensate for what you are lacking in yourself. That same FO flies his plane safely, timely. He acts as a true professional. Doing his best all while being underpaid and unappreciated. Yet that same FO who can't provide a future to his family in order to cut cost so the parent company's pilots can take home profit sharing checks. Still shows you the utmost respect as a colleague and equal. Your ego and misguided beliefs deserve a golf clap. (Clap clap)
Wow, where to begin. First off I DO want all Regional Pilots to have a shot at a Major, after they've been in command that is. I don't understand why you think I'm being elitist by wanting the most qualified candidates interviewing for mainline. You do NOT do the same job as an FO, you are delusional if you think you do. Flying the jet is the easiest thing you'll ever do as a Captain. As an FO for all intents and purposes you are along for the ride. The Captain signs for the jet, the buck stops with him in the decision making process. Go, no go, fuel/Mel issues., unruly passengers, medical emergencies, de-icing decisions, setting the tone in the cockpit and CRM not with just the FO who might be 1 day off of OE or a 7 year Gen X'er with an entitlement attitude that you're sitting in his seat., FA's, gate agents and untold other responsibilities that are all on the CAPTAINS shoulders and NOT the FO.

I for one don't want an RJ FO getting hired next year with Zero TPIC and 5 years from now his first command is at mainline in a MD88 in LGA with a newhire FO in a snowstorm with 3-4 Mel's.

No sir, wait your turn. Upgrade and get some REAL experience then get in line for a job. No where'd I say you weren't worthy, I said you're not experienced enough. I'd love to see all the flying brough in house and flown by mainline Pilots who've been properly vetted and qualified. Right now that includes TPIC. Don't like it? Apply elsewhere.
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Old 11-21-2014, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Erdude32 View Post
As an FO for all intents and purposes you are along for the ride. The Captain signs for the jet, the buck stops with him in the decision making process. Go, no go, fuel/Mel issues., unruly passengers, medical emergencies, de-icing decisions, setting the tone in the cockpit and CRM not with just the FO who might be 1 day off of OE or a 7 year Gen X'er with an entitlement attitude that you're sitting in his seat., FA's, gate agents and untold other responsibilities that are all on the CAPTAINS shoulders and NOT the FO.
Wow, sounds like you run a totalitarian, CRM-free cockpit. "Along for the ride"....? Geezus dude, I bet you're just a joy to fly with. Have you ever heard of delegating responsibilities? It sounds like you're a 1 person show. Since when are FA's and gate agents your responsibility? I bet they love you too.
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Old 11-21-2014, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Erdude32 View Post
Wow, where to begin. First off I DO want all Regional Pilots to have a shot at a Major, after they've been in command that is. I don't understand why you think I'm being elitist by wanting the most qualified candidates interviewing for mainline. You do NOT do the same job as an FO, you are delusional if you think you do. Flying the jet is the easiest thing you'll ever do as a Captain. As an FO for all intents and purposes you are along for the ride. The Captain signs for the jet, the buck stops with him in the decision making process. Go, no go, fuel/Mel issues., unruly passengers, medical emergencies, de-icing decisions, setting the tone in the cockpit and CRM not with just the FO who might be 1 day off of OE or a 7 year Gen X'er with an entitlement attitude that you're sitting in his seat., FA's, gate agents and untold other responsibilities that are all on the CAPTAINS shoulders and NOT the FO.

I for one don't want an RJ FO getting hired next year with Zero TPIC and 5 years from now his first command is at mainline in a MD88 in LGA with a newhire FO in a snowstorm with 3-4 Mel's.

No sir, wait your turn. Upgrade and get some REAL experience then get in line for a job. No where'd I say you weren't worthy, I said you're not experienced enough. I'd love to see all the flying brough in house and flown by mainline Pilots who've been properly vetted and qualified. Right now that includes TPIC. Don't like it? Apply elsewhere.
Might want to double check hiring requirements. There are new Delta FOs hired in 2014 with 0 TPIC or CA "upgrade" completed at their regional.
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Old 11-21-2014, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Erdude32 View Post
Wow, where to begin. First off I DO want all Regional Pilots to have a shot at a Major, after they've been in command that is. I don't understand why you think I'm being elitist by wanting the most qualified candidates interviewing for mainline. You do NOT do the same job as an FO, you are delusional if you think you do. Flying the jet is the easiest thing you'll ever do as a Captain. As an FO for all intents and purposes you are along for the ride. The Captain signs for the jet, the buck stops with him in the decision making process. Go, no go, fuel/Mel issues., unruly passengers, medical emergencies, de-icing decisions, setting the tone in the cockpit and CRM not with just the FO who might be 1 day off of OE or a 7 year Gen X'er with an entitlement attitude that you're sitting in his seat., FA's, gate agents and untold other responsibilities that are all on the CAPTAINS shoulders and NOT the FO.

I for one don't want an RJ FO getting hired next year with Zero TPIC and 5 years from now his first command is at mainline in a MD88 in LGA with a newhire FO in a snowstorm with 3-4 Mel's.

No sir, wait your turn. Upgrade and get some REAL experience then get in line for a job. No where'd I say you weren't worthy, I said you're not experienced enough. I'd love to see all the flying brough in house and flown by mainline Pilots who've been properly vetted and qualified. Right now that includes TPIC. Don't like it? Apply elsewhere.
Are you a Captain sir? If so, I hope to God I never have to share a flight deck with you!!!
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Old 11-21-2014, 07:50 PM
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And where exactly do the single seat Mavericks fit in? They have lots of experience flying in the 121 arena, multiple legs, crm, understanding and applying ops specs, blah blah blah. Oh wait that's the unqualified regional FO.

No disrespect for the mil guys, I have a lot of close friends who were former navy and Air Force pilots. But the above comments are unbelievable.
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