The likely story of 9e.
12-04-2014, 09:09 PM
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The likely story of 9e.
Now that the hiring of new FO's has gotten aggressive hiring criteria has changed as well as short term compensation increased. Future at 9e will likely be upgrades starting soon. How can this be? Well if we can staff 200's we will fly 200's. I think at this point people believe Delta is serious about flying 200's at least in the near term. This means that with Captains leaving( not just to Delta for all those who want to cry about only 144 to Delta in 2014) and FOs being hired upgrades can start and the pace of these upgrades will accelerate because the pace of major hiring is accelerating. This is an option that the doom and gloom sharpshooter will likely attack but it's a valid one and for those who are considering 9e I invite you to consider its merits. Keep in mind that Delta is spending lots of time and money trying to improve the regional side of the brand. They want the trip from Cedar Rapids to London to offer top notch service. Having control of the regional product the way they have with 9e gives this to them. Consider why Delta wants 9e to work.
12-04-2014, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by vilcas
Now that the hiring of new FO's has gotten aggressive hiring criteria has changed as well as short term compensation increased. Future at 9e will likely be upgrades starting soon. How can this be? Well if we can staff 200's we will fly 200's. I think at this point people believe Delta is serious about flying 200's at least in the near term. This means that with Captains leaving( not just to Delta for all those who want to cry about only 144 to Delta in 2014) and FOs being hired upgrades can start and the pace of these upgrades will accelerate because the pace of major hiring is accelerating. This is an option that the doom and gloom sharpshooter will likely attack but it's a valid one and for those who are considering 9e I invite you to consider its merits. Keep in mind that Delta is spending lots of time and money trying to improve the regional side of the brand. They want the trip from Cedar Rapids to London to offer top notch service. Having control of the regional product the way they have with 9e gives this to them. Consider why Delta wants 9e to work.
12-05-2014, 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by vilcas
Now that the hiring of new FO's has gotten aggressive hiring criteria has changed as well as short term compensation increased. Future at 9e will likely be upgrades starting soon. How can this be? Well if we can staff 200's we will fly 200's. I think at this point people believe Delta is serious about flying 200's at least in the near term. This means that with Captains leaving( not just to Delta for all those who want to cry about only 144 to Delta in 2014) and FOs being hired upgrades can start and the pace of these upgrades will accelerate because the pace of major hiring is accelerating. This is an option that the doom and gloom sharpshooter will likely attack but it's a valid one and for those who are considering 9e I invite you to consider its merits. Keep in mind that Delta is spending lots of time and money trying to improve the regional side of the brand. They want the trip from Cedar Rapids to London to offer top notch service. Having control of the regional product the way they have with 9e gives this to them. Consider why Delta wants 9e to work.
Serious about flying 200's?! Yes. At carriers other than 9E, that's why they are being parked or transferred. Good grief man, talk about spin control...wow!
12-05-2014, 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by RgrMurdock
Don't you have to stop downgrading first before you can talk about upgrades? And delta doesn't care about brand. They just don't want the 12/4 experiment to blow up in their face.
Aero Assurance Ltd.
Cardinal Insurance Company (Cayman) Ltd.
Crown Rooms, Inc.
DAL Global Services, LLC
DAL Moscow, Inc.
Delta Air Lines, Inc. and Pan American World Airways,Inc.—Unterstutzungskasse GMBH
Delta Air Lines Dublin Limited
Delta Air Lines Private Limited
Delta Benefits Management, Inc.
Delta Loyalty Management Services, LLC
Delta Private Jets, Inc.
Endeavor Air
Epsilon Trading, LLC
Kappa Capital Management, LLC
MLT Inc.
Montana Enterprises, Inc.
New Sky, Ltd.
Northwest Aerospace Training Corporation
Regional Elite Airline Services, LLC
Segrave Aviation, Inc.
Tomisato Shoji Kabushiki Kaisha
Highly doubt that Endeavor Air is an experiment. Choosing an regional to start your career is a tricky one. How many pilots have chased a fast upgrade and got burned? MANY!
Endeavor in the future will have steady upgrades once this place gets churning. Last vacancy ZERO downgrades...there is already a turn around. Those are the FACTS.
Delta is about controlling cost. Just as Delta bought an oil refinery in 2012 to control the "crack spread" for jet fuel. This has already resulted in millions in savings. Endeavor is the same. Controlling cost but at the same time branding. All the companies that Delta owns is about controlling cost. Endeavor is no different. Endeavor is an asset to Delta...not something they will throw away.
The emerging from bankruptcy and the purchase of 9E was in 2013. People are impatient. It hasn't been two years yet. The original plan has always been 81 aircraft which is still decent lift if you compare to all other regionals. The last 900 will be received in Feb giving us 81 plus some 200's on deck throughout 2015. AWAC's deal fell through so it looks like there will be more 200's than expected.
Point being, if you wait for things to be "good" at a regional searching for fast upgrades...if that is happening...chances are you are TOO LATE TO THE PARTY. The ones that were there before you will get the upgrades and chances are things will slow down before you get too upgrade.
2015 is a turn around year at Endeavor (2 years after BK):
- All 900's on deck
- Zero downgrades to start the year
- Managed attrition to Delta - 144 per year
- Attrition from top to other airlines that are hiring in 2015 and beyond.
- Pilot contract amendable 2017 which is at the end of bonus.
- 30k bonus for the next two years making starting salary for FO's decent.
Starting next year, you could realistically say there will be 300-400 off the top going to other airlines. That means upgrades end of 2015 and beyond.
9E is NOT a doom and gloom story once you see all the facts. It's a place to start your career and move on to other things while delivering a good branded Delta product. If you wait until things are "good" here at 9E, you are too late. Stop listening to the naysayers and ex-employees that NEVER seem to list all the facts.
12-05-2014, 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Past V1
Last vacancy, there were 0 downgrades. OP is right. Most posting on here are ex-employees hoping for demise. Truth of the matter, every regional is shrinking to some degree. 9E is no different. Everyone is so scared that Delta owns 9E...get over it! Comair got shutdown...yeah but that is 1 out of how many companies Delta owns. Don't know what companies Delta owns? Here a quick list:
Aero Assurance Ltd.
Cardinal Insurance Company (Cayman) Ltd.
Crown Rooms, Inc.
DAL Global Services, LLC
DAL Moscow, Inc.
Delta Air Lines, Inc. and Pan American World Airways,Inc.—Unterstutzungskasse GMBH
Delta Air Lines Dublin Limited
Delta Air Lines Private Limited
Delta Benefits Management, Inc.
Delta Loyalty Management Services, LLC
Delta Private Jets, Inc.
Endeavor Air
Epsilon Trading, LLC
Kappa Capital Management, LLC
MLT Inc.
Montana Enterprises, Inc.
New Sky, Ltd.
Northwest Aerospace Training Corporation
Regional Elite Airline Services, LLC
Segrave Aviation, Inc.
Tomisato Shoji Kabushiki Kaisha
Highly doubt that Endeavor Air is an experiment. Choosing an regional to start your career is a tricky one. How many pilots have chased a fast upgrade and got burned? MANY!
Endeavor in the future will have steady upgrades once this place gets churning. Last vacancy ZERO downgrades...there is already a turn around. Those are the FACTS.
Delta is about controlling cost. Just as Delta bought an oil refinery in 2012 to control the "crack spread" for jet fuel. This has already resulted in millions in savings. Endeavor is the same. Controlling cost but at the same time branding. All the companies that Delta owns is about controlling cost. Endeavor is no different. Endeavor is an asset to Delta...not something they will throw away.
The emerging from bankruptcy and the purchase of 9E was in 2013. People are impatient. It hasn't been two years yet. The original plan has always been 81 aircraft which is still decent lift if you compare to all other regionals. The last 900 will be received in Feb giving us 81 plus some 200's on deck throughout 2015. AWAC's deal fell through so it looks like there will be more 200's than expected.
Point being, if you wait for things to be "good" at a regional searching for fast upgrades...if that is happening...chances are you are TOO LATE TO THE PARTY. The ones that were there before you will get the upgrades and chances are things will slow down before you get too upgrade.
2015 is a turn around year at Endeavor (2 years after BK):
- All 900's on deck
- Zero downgrades to start the year
- Managed attrition to Delta - 144 per year
- Attrition from top to other airlines that are hiring in 2015 and beyond.
- Pilot contract amendable 2017 which is at the end of bonus.
- 30k bonus for the next two years making starting salary for FO's decent.
Starting next year, you could realistically say there will be 300-400 off the top going to other airlines. That means upgrades end of 2015 and beyond.
9E is NOT a doom and gloom story once you see all the facts. It's a place to start your career and move on to other things while delivering a good branded Delta product. If you wait until things are "good" here at 9E, you are too late. Stop listening to the naysayers and ex-employees that NEVER seem to list all the facts.
Aero Assurance Ltd.
Cardinal Insurance Company (Cayman) Ltd.
Crown Rooms, Inc.
DAL Global Services, LLC
DAL Moscow, Inc.
Delta Air Lines, Inc. and Pan American World Airways,Inc.—Unterstutzungskasse GMBH
Delta Air Lines Dublin Limited
Delta Air Lines Private Limited
Delta Benefits Management, Inc.
Delta Loyalty Management Services, LLC
Delta Private Jets, Inc.
Endeavor Air
Epsilon Trading, LLC
Kappa Capital Management, LLC
MLT Inc.
Montana Enterprises, Inc.
New Sky, Ltd.
Northwest Aerospace Training Corporation
Regional Elite Airline Services, LLC
Segrave Aviation, Inc.
Tomisato Shoji Kabushiki Kaisha
Highly doubt that Endeavor Air is an experiment. Choosing an regional to start your career is a tricky one. How many pilots have chased a fast upgrade and got burned? MANY!
Endeavor in the future will have steady upgrades once this place gets churning. Last vacancy ZERO downgrades...there is already a turn around. Those are the FACTS.
Delta is about controlling cost. Just as Delta bought an oil refinery in 2012 to control the "crack spread" for jet fuel. This has already resulted in millions in savings. Endeavor is the same. Controlling cost but at the same time branding. All the companies that Delta owns is about controlling cost. Endeavor is no different. Endeavor is an asset to Delta...not something they will throw away.
The emerging from bankruptcy and the purchase of 9E was in 2013. People are impatient. It hasn't been two years yet. The original plan has always been 81 aircraft which is still decent lift if you compare to all other regionals. The last 900 will be received in Feb giving us 81 plus some 200's on deck throughout 2015. AWAC's deal fell through so it looks like there will be more 200's than expected.
Point being, if you wait for things to be "good" at a regional searching for fast upgrades...if that is happening...chances are you are TOO LATE TO THE PARTY. The ones that were there before you will get the upgrades and chances are things will slow down before you get too upgrade.
2015 is a turn around year at Endeavor (2 years after BK):
- All 900's on deck
- Zero downgrades to start the year
- Managed attrition to Delta - 144 per year
- Attrition from top to other airlines that are hiring in 2015 and beyond.
- Pilot contract amendable 2017 which is at the end of bonus.
- 30k bonus for the next two years making starting salary for FO's decent.
Starting next year, you could realistically say there will be 300-400 off the top going to other airlines. That means upgrades end of 2015 and beyond.
9E is NOT a doom and gloom story once you see all the facts. It's a place to start your career and move on to other things while delivering a good branded Delta product. If you wait until things are "good" here at 9E, you are too late. Stop listening to the naysayers and ex-employees that NEVER seem to list all the facts.
I believe that this is correct. If you talk to people on the line they feel the same. The people on here bashing 9e are ex employees. I was going to leave like everyone else but I am seeing the turn around of this place for the better. Call me crazy but I am hopeful.
12-05-2014, 03:41 AM
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Believe what you want. Realignment 14-07 had downgrades, the cancelled 14-08 also had downgrades. In the memos they said probably more downgrades on the next realignment. How is their going to be movement from the top 300-400, when they don't want to leave. Geez, if those guys stay, they get a 30k bonus. From the bottom of the list, pilots are still leaving. Attrition is over 30 and its only the first week of December. Have you looked at the open time for the rest of December, Again we won't be able to staff the flying over the busy holiday week.
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