Speedbird2263

Understood, now given the uncertainty of the industry, what would be the tangible incentive for someone with 2.5yrs in at another regional to jump to 9E. Honest question.

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ShyGuy

You'd have to be delusional, possibly institutional to want leave another regional to come to Endeavor just for this so-called deal.

tom14cat14

It is still high risk at this point because they we do not know who this will play out with our hiring. But of course if you make the jump when it is the riskiest you will also get the best reward if it works out. So with that said, you will get a prorated share of the retention bonus making here the top pay for 2 years in the regionals. If we can hire they have told us time and time again we will keep more of our 200 with a chance to bring some back form the desert as long as it is under Delta’s scope limit. We have guaranteed seats in Delta’s class. So as long as they hire enough pilots we will lose pilots from the top to Delta plus normal attrition. I have talked to the chief pilot a few times and all their surveys show new hires want career progression over pay. They thought they could get away with low pay and hoped the ETD was enough of a career progression to get things moving. It was not an agreement with ALPA therefore it wasn’t in the contract so when it didn’t work they took it away to loosen hiring standards and try something different. I fully expect them to try and make this work to get movement going because in 2 years they want out pay to go back to what it was. They have told us regional pilots should never hit a 12/4 cap if things are working the way they want. The moves they have been doing are showing they are doing things to get this to work. They want to give the very least amount back to us so they have moved very slowly on incentivizing people to come here. They do not want to pay a dollar more than they have too.

Things might change here very quickly so we will have to wait and see. Don’t come here thinking you will upgrade this year because we are still shrinking and you will have 700ish FO’s in front of you. However in 2 years if we get enough new hires and they keep some 200 here. I could see you upgrading in your 3rd year here and maybe sooner if they surprise us with something else. But it is hard for most of us 8 year guys to see this happening but you never know.

tom14cat14

Ahh he is back. Don’t forget how fast things can change. Of course it depends on where he is and where he wants to go. We will have the highest percentage of seats Delta classes in terms of airlines. So if you want Delta your odds are probably better to come here than getting hired off the street. Of course that doesn’t mean you have to come here and if you have upgraded or will somewhat soon I wouldn’t come here.

Silver02ex

This so call "deal" is going to give many FO a CJO who may never see an upgrade here. I'll bet you didn't this agreement coming did you?

ShyGuy

Good luck. As for IMO I always thought it should have included FOs from day 1. No reason not to. Anyway, the only thing that would be surprising would be a guaranteed flow like what Conpass guys had up to Aug '10 hires. Anything other than that is a carrot designed to get guys to stay. Hopefully it works out for you, but historically speaking wholly owned Delta regionals don't end up being success stories.

80ktsClamp

Delta is running 125 pilots in newhire in January alone. Lots of aircraft deliveries and planning for future retirements.

Remember- 100% of those interviewed are allowed to be hired. There are no quotas in both the pass and fail direction. You make the score, you're hired.

Good luck, have a great attitude, and show up prepared!

80ktsClamp

But you'd better be really freaking good in the other areas. No degree/dragging it out big time is a detriment to your score.

80ktsClamp

If that's the case, then there are some pretty serious personality/lack of comfortable command issues going on.

Being told not to come back is reserved for only those that score the lowest.

jethikoki

Fare enough maybe. For all those acquisitions and mergers at DAL there are some or many pilots now at DAL that were also rejected (not Delta material) that are now flying at Delta. You want to hold regional pilots responsible for a system that mainline pilots created and an easier hiring/interview process that no pilots have control over. Regardless of how anyone gets hired spending years at any regional IS NOT an easy way into any mainline job. Affording non ALPA pilots job offers that have no 121 time and never paid any dues to ALPA along with current DAL pilots that were also previously rejected at their Delta interview is hypocritical and insulting to the rejected SSP pilots.