Envoy FOs to possibly get $20k retention!
#21
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Well I'm a Captain and would say I would love to see some money too but let's face it, they don't need to retain me; quite the opposite. That being said, I have made out much better than any current FO so far. We definitely have some selfish pricks here, but I know there are plenty like me that would rather see FOs get something rather than all of us get nothing.
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But see it from the bean counters point of view. Envoy is simply too top heavy in the cost of labor to continue as a going concern. Why else with AAG be doing what they are doing? As attrition from the bottom accelerates, the situation becomes worse.
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Well I'm a Captain and would say I would love to see some money too but let's face it, they don't need to retain me; quite the opposite. That being said, I have made out much better than any current FO so far. We definitely have some selfish pricks here, but I know there are plenty like me that would rather see FOs get something rather than all of us get nothing.
#24
I've heard that AAG is looking at purchasing a large amount of 100 to 150 seat aircraft to be flown by mainline in anticipation of its regionals shrinking overall over the next few years. I also know that United is looking at the same thing. They've been looking at the new Bombardier C-Series and an improved E-190.
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I've heard that AAG is looking at purchasing a large amount of 100 to 150 seat aircraft to be flown by mainline in anticipation of its regionals shrinking overall over the next few years. I also know that United is looking at the same thing. They've been looking at the new Bombardier C-Series and an improved E-190.
#26
At 1200-1500 total pilots as the goal for envoys low point in 2017, there would be 600-750 CA spots. With 300 of us "lifers" around, that is 300-450 open CA spots. The rest of the seniority list is flowing pretty steady, so longevity will shrink. For example, even with the deferrals returning, it is modestly estimated that all the 824 wil be gone before 2017. The protected pilots are 10 years or less currently, with a big gap in years 5 and 8(no one hired spring 2008-2010)
You also have about 100 of us lifers retiring in the next 4 years.
You also have about 100 of us lifers retiring in the next 4 years.
#27
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Folks, let's not live in a fantasy world here. I truly believe that the company is just stringing us along with these rumors of bonuses, rainbows, and unicorns. They're not willing to put their money where their mouth is. I think they're just making up these rumors in hopes it will retain pilots; why pay to retain when you can retain based simply on rumors?
#28
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Folks, let's not live in a fantasy world here. I truly believe that the company is just stringing us along with these rumors of bonuses, rainbows, and unicorns. They're not willing to put their money where their mouth is. I think they're just making up these rumors in hopes it will retain pilots; why pay to retain when you can retain based simply on rumors?
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