Envoy FOs to possibly get $20k retention!
03-30-2015, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by jdflyer1999
No current order.
Parker stated that the 190's will either grow or go away.
Parker stated that the 190's will either grow or go away.
03-30-2015, 09:31 AM
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From my understanding, from someone "in the know" (take that for what you will... All I know is this is what they said), AAG and UAL are both looking at "very large" orders of 100 - 150 seat jets to offset the anticipated shrinking of their regionals over the next 3 to 5 years. I know they said UAL is looking very closely at the new Bombardier C-Series, and that an "improved" E-190 may also be an option. They said AAG is likely looking at the same and I would imagine DAL too. I did ask if they knew anything about the MRJ and they said they "didn't know" but thought it would be doubtful mainline would buy anything with the name Mitsubishi attached to it.
04-03-2015, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
From my understanding, from someone "in the know" (take that for what you will... All I know is this is what they said), AAG and UAL are both looking at "very large" orders of 100 - 150 seat jets to offset the anticipated shrinking of their regionals over the next 3 to 5 years. I know they said UAL is looking very closely at the new Bombardier C-Series, and that an "improved" E-190 may also be an option. They said AAG is likely looking at the same and I would imagine DAL too. I did ask if they knew anything about the MRJ and they said they "didn't know" but thought it would be doubtful mainline would buy anything with the name Mitsubishi attached to it.
04-03-2015, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
Someone made a post to say that Envoy has too many pilots and not to come here. Just wanted to share the other half of the paragraph the other OP did not, because it looks like FOs may get $20k. It deserves its own thread as much as the other topic does.
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04-03-2015, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
I do know this- Fabregas can't give a retention bonus to a select group of already employeed pilots without giving it to all pilots. He can give a signing bonus to a new hire pilot, but that's the extent of it.
In the next 5 years 1/3 of all US airline pilots will retire. There is going to be winner and loser regional airlines, some are going to survive but many will not. When you are knee deep into a situation, sometimes its hard to see with clarity what's really going on. But from an outsiders point of view, I just don't see how anyone can see it any other way. Envoy is a shrinking airline with a top heavy labor structure. One way or the other the balance is going to be restored. The shareholders demand it.
In the next 5 years 1/3 of all US airline pilots will retire. There is going to be winner and loser regional airlines, some are going to survive but many will not. When you are knee deep into a situation, sometimes its hard to see with clarity what's really going on. But from an outsiders point of view, I just don't see how anyone can see it any other way. Envoy is a shrinking airline with a top heavy labor structure. One way or the other the balance is going to be restored. The shareholders demand it.
There is no legitimate argument for pay being too high at any regional airline in the entire country. If anything, there are many signs that management has gone to far in cutting pay and benefits at all the regionals, and are just now starting to come to the realization that there are no longer thousands of eager beavers just waiting to work for peanuts.
As far as your shareholders go, the airlines are making more money than any time in recent history. Oil prices are down well over 50% from June of last year, and yet the airlines haven't dropped their fuel surcharges, or any of their other ancillary fees. Oil experts have predicted a chance of oil dropping even further as oil storage in the U.S. is believed to be at or above 80% of capacity countrywide.
There was never a need for any of the concessions recently taken by several of the regional pilot groups, and in fact the current staffing issues at many regionals would actually support the need for vast improvements in pay and benefits if those regionals hope to continue to operate.
04-03-2015, 07:36 PM
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The legitimate argument is that they are contractors, NOT mainline. Mainline is making the record profits, not the contractors. The regionals have very little room to do much under this model, that is why it is up to us, the pilots, to force change of that model. At ExpressJet, the pilots did stand up in the face of the race to the bottom and voted against pilots subsidizing a broken model and an inadequate management team. This act forced Skywest (who owns us) to start looking for other ways to save money, namely by increasing efficiency and by appointing better managers. Our refusal to cave, got the old mgmt fired! So change can happen.
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