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Old 03-31-2015, 08:42 AM
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@rickair7777 Amen! So true! I interviewed almost 10 yrs ago when airlines could cherry pick the cream of the crop. I can't believe the hiring climate now. It's amazing!


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Old 04-01-2015, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SayAlt View Post
I would add to this that Sully Sullenberger is (deservedly) a hero in Congress' eyes and is very pro-active in opposition to any relaxation of the new law. He has a very potent voice on Capital Hill when it comes to aviation safety and walks in lock-step with the Colgan families.

And the last thing any Congressman/woman wants is Sully Sullenberger explaining to a news outlet why he/she is thoughtless and wrongheaded about the public's safety.

Forget about changing the law. Ain't happening.

And that's a wonderful thing. Maybe the best thing to happen for the pilot groups in decades.



Spot on.

It's simple economics. Fewer pilots + increased demand for pilots = higher pay

Anyone interviewing early for the Regionals is playing right into mgmt's hands. Don't do it.

Hold out. Wait until you're ready to go to work for them right away. Doing so puts MORE pressure on Co. mgmt to increase pay & signing bonuses sooner rather than later.

(Assuming, of course, there actually IS a "pilot shortage". YMMV)

Let's hope more articles like this circulate:

It's Truly Terrifying That Some Pilots Earn Near Minimum Wage
Emily Cohn
The Huffington Post Posted: 02/12/14 04:04 PM ET Updated: 02/12/14 04:59 PM ET
The next time you're flying in an airplane consider this: The person operating the aircraft might not be making much more than the person who made the Egg McMuffin you ate for breakfast.

That's right. According to the Wall Street Journal, new airline pilots rank among the lowest-paid workers in the country, with some regional pilots earning as little as $15,000 per year.

That's horrifying for a number of obvious reasons. For one, $15,000 -- or even $22,400 a year, the starting salary for pilots at 14 regional airlines -- is lower than the federal poverty line for a family of four in the U.S.

It's also startling because of the extraordinary price of becoming a pilot in the first place. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, airline pilots usually need a bachelor's degree, a pilot's license, and certification that requires hundreds of hours of flight training. According to Bloomberg Businessweek, the cost of training flights alone can set you back more than $100,000.

No wonder there's a shortage of pilots.

Finances aside, earning poverty wages can be detrimental to your health. For instance:

Poverty may lead lead to chronic stress, which can cause memory loss
People living below the poverty line are more at risk of sleep disorders, like insomnia and sleep apnea
People in poverty are more at risk of developing an addiction or substance abuse problem
Lifelong poverty increases the risk of heart disease
Consider this the next time you're flying on a small regional airline.




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Old 04-01-2015, 01:03 PM
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[QUOTE=flyinjgirl;1854227]Let's hope more articles like this circulate:

It's Truly Terrifying That Some Pilots Earn Near Minimum Wage
Emily Cohn
The Huffington Post Posted: 02/12/14 04:04 PM ET Updated: 02/12/14 04:59 PM ET
The next time you're flying in an airplane consider this: The person operating the aircraft might not be making much more than the person who made the Egg McMuffin you ate for breakfast.

That's right. According to the Wall Street Journal, new airline pilots rank among the lowest-paid workers in the country, with some regional pilots earning as little as $15,000 per year. ]

And you know that McDonald's is now paying $10/hr to their employees. Announced today (and not an April Fools Day Joke)
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Old 04-01-2015, 01:09 PM
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Girl - I wish I has $1 for the look on every non-pilot's face when I told them what Regional FO's make.

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Poverty may lead lead to chronic stress, which can cause memory loss
People living below the poverty line are more at risk of sleep disorders, like insomnia and sleep apnea
People in poverty are more at risk of developing an addiction or substance abuse problem
Lifelong poverty increases the risk of heart disease
Consider this the next time you're flying on a small regional airline.
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I'm not a pilot. And I realize technical issues can occur. But crazy pilot was nowhere in my imagination when I took off on one of your budget flights.
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Old 04-01-2015, 01:14 PM
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15K?!? did you go there because of quick upgrades or a shinny new jet?

We get minimum 33K 1st year at PDT (including bonus), assuming all reserve pay.

Plus family insurance coverage, etc..
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Old 04-01-2015, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by NewPil0t View Post
We get minimum 33K 1st year at PDT (including bonus), assuming all reserve pay.
Hmmmm.

What do you think most industries pay a new hire for a job that (now) requires BOTH a 4 yr degree + $100k in licensing/experience?

$33k sucks. $50k would suck. Relatively speaking.
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Originally Posted by SayAlt View Post
Hmmmm.

What do you think most industries pay a new hire for a job that (now) requires BOTH a 4 yr degree + $100k in licensing/experience?

$33k sucks. $50k would suck. Relatively speaking.

So true. My husband's company has an onsite gym with a personal trainer and showers which have any toiletries you'd want including sunscreen and toothbrushes!! A nurse who you can go to anytime if you feel sick and they give flu shots on site. He has a 4 yr degree. I was slept on a disgusting couch in the crew lounge with about 10 other crewmembers, including captains, to catch a 6 am commute flight home because I couldn't afford a hotel. We are suckers. It's all about the dangling carrot in front of us. My dad earned $800 a month in 1976 to fly 737's. In 40 years that has barely doubled. Seems wrong.


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Originally Posted by NewPil0t View Post
15K?!? did you go there because of quick upgrades or a shinny new jet?

We get minimum 33K 1st year at PDT (including bonus), assuming all reserve pay.

Plus family insurance coverage, etc..
33k is still a freaking joke for an airline pilot!
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Old 04-02-2015, 03:07 PM
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33K is a joke, but it's double this tragic number everybody loves to refer to.

Anything bellow 100K is probably not reasonable. But for the lower ranks to make that kind of $$, the longevity pay would have to be lower.. in the regionals, at least.

The B scale was created by the Major Unions.. and the clearest example is 1st year pay in the majors is even more silly than regional pay.
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Originally Posted by NewPil0t View Post
Shinny...
33K is a joke, but it's double this tragic number everybody loves to refer to.

Anything bellow 100K...
Anyone who can't spell "shiny" or "below" shouldn't expect to make any more than poverty wages anyway. Just sayin.
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