First Regional to sponsor work visas?
05-29-2015, 06:58 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by jackcarls0n
I have heard that republic airline has given letters to foreign students so they can get they work permits. A student can apply and get work permit as a part of "OJT-on the job training" for a year to up to two years or even more if they keep enrolled as a student, they can work on the side. But it's only couple of casees that I have heard about.
I know a couple of foreign guys flying for different regionals who are doing this. Go to a University or one of the 8 F-1 visa flight schools (technically 7 because 1 does strictly helicopters), learn to fly, go work as a flight instructor till 1500 then go fly for an airline. Time out and go back to home country with a couple thousand hours, type rating, and jet time.
05-29-2015, 10:14 PM
#42
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Originally Posted by germanaviator
Hmmm, I may be wrong but it seems you are somehow frustrated with Europe or Europeans. It has not been my experience that European pilots feel self entitled. Most guys I have ever flown with (including cargo turboprop ops, B737 scheduled pax airline and VIP work) did not come from Oxford or similar schools but from all walks of life and all kind of backgrounds including bush flying in Africa and flying Concorde for BA or aerobatics displays with the Red Arrows. And, I thought their hand flying skills were just fine for the most part. I have also flown with Kiwi, US and Canadian pilots and I thought they were just as good but not necessarily better.
Depending on the quality of the operation you worked for in Europe, your mileage may vary but I'm not sure your broad brush statements are justified.
Depending on the quality of the operation you worked for in Europe, your mileage may vary but I'm not sure your broad brush statements are justified.
I am however extremely disappointed in the European model. It is broken and in urgent need of repair with many many serious flaws.
I have flown with some excellent GErman, British, DUtch etc aviators who were very skilful but I found this to be amongst guys who are old school for the most part.
A huge part of the new guys coming through are self entitled twits that think the world owes them an aviation career when there are 5000 to 10000 hour twin turbine pilots who are very good but cannot get jobs because of the P2F and 500 hours on type nonsense that airlines are allowed to get away with here.
05-29-2015, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jackcarls0n
I have heard that republic airline has given letters to foreign students so they can get they work permits. A student can apply and get work permit as a part of "OJT-on the job training" for a year to up to two years or even more if they keep enrolled as a student, they can work on the side. But it's only couple of casees that I have heard about.
Also, Australians are legally allowed to apply for work permit under E2 visa, however the rules are quite difficult to understand. Would need an attorney to figure it out.
And if the rules do change based on shortage I'm sure they would be enough applicants maybe more then the requirement, just to get the jet time and many are unemployed in various parts of Asia who did come to US to get they FAA license. Most prolly they wouldn't have 1500 hrs, but they are many who would meet the requirement too.
It just depends how the Regional, U.S. Government, ALPA and the majors play that game.
Also, Australians are legally allowed to apply for work permit under E2 visa, however the rules are quite difficult to understand. Would need an attorney to figure it out.
And if the rules do change based on shortage I'm sure they would be enough applicants maybe more then the requirement, just to get the jet time and many are unemployed in various parts of Asia who did come to US to get they FAA license. Most prolly they wouldn't have 1500 hrs, but they are many who would meet the requirement too.
It just depends how the Regional, U.S. Government, ALPA and the majors play that game.
08-26-2016, 08:04 PM
#45
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E3 For Australians
I'm an Australian and a Canadian with a US CFI-II-ME and would like to know which is easiest to obtain a visa to work as a contract CFI II ME in the USA.
I work 30 minutes north of the USA and each time I go near a flight school in the USA I am offered jobs but all expect any applicant to get their own work permit and getting a written offer of employment seems to be like asking the impossible.
Any suggestions appreciated via pm.
Ramjet
I work 30 minutes north of the USA and each time I go near a flight school in the USA I am offered jobs but all expect any applicant to get their own work permit and getting a written offer of employment seems to be like asking the impossible.
Any suggestions appreciated via pm.
Ramjet
01-13-2017, 10:23 AM
#46
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Very sad
Originally Posted by Egg320
Short answer... Jet time.
In Europe if you have not been to the right flight school nor have a type rating with 500 hours on type, forget it.
The other is Pay to Fly (P2F) that European pilots love prostituting themselves out for and the carriers are milking it.
I know this because Im South African, Australian and EASA/JAA licenced with ATPL. It is disgusting how they treat pilots in Europe and allow these P2F schemes to go ahead.
So believe me when I tell you for 22K a European pilot will sell his soul and his mother to get that precious 500 hours on a jet type for 2 reasons.
1. To actually fly the type in Europe such as a ERJ 175
2. Join somebody like Emirates because they will not look at a 8000 hour king air pilot but will take a 1000 hour ERJ pilot due to weight category(over 25 tons), glass cockpit and jet time.
I also want to live there and commit my future to the US.
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In Europe if you have not been to the right flight school nor have a type rating with 500 hours on type, forget it.
The other is Pay to Fly (P2F) that European pilots love prostituting themselves out for and the carriers are milking it.
I know this because Im South African, Australian and EASA/JAA licenced with ATPL. It is disgusting how they treat pilots in Europe and allow these P2F schemes to go ahead.
So believe me when I tell you for 22K a European pilot will sell his soul and his mother to get that precious 500 hours on a jet type for 2 reasons.
1. To actually fly the type in Europe such as a ERJ 175
2. Join somebody like Emirates because they will not look at a 8000 hour king air pilot but will take a 1000 hour ERJ pilot due to weight category(over 25 tons), glass cockpit and jet time.
I also want to live there and commit my future to the US.
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Do you not see the hypocrisy in your arguments Egg320 and German guy what ever your name was?
You are willingly accepting the worst paying airline jobs in the world just to live in the US.
I love when foreigners come to Europe on EU passports they undeservedly got from their great grandparents or in the past work visas when there were loads of unemployed pilots in Europe or else they are working abroad like me, in both cases they are never reciprocal. (Can I get an SA or Aus passport due to my great grandparents or else a work visa?)
You complain about pay to fly but your actions are even more detrimental to our global industry as you have options whereas a Pay2fly guy doesn't have a choice because foreigners take all the low hour turboprop jobs, I still see Stobart air advertising for foreigners. Guys like you ruined my low cost job in Europe so I had to leave Ireland and go to China to make some decent cash.
I too would like to go to the US because taxes are high everywhere in Europe with a high cost of living and not to mention the place is falling apart socially, politically and economically (Refugees Brexit Euro etc). To the German guy, please say thank you to Merkel for me!
Another year or two in China and maybe I will move to the US and buy a pub or small business with the money I made in China but I wouldn't sell my soul to fly for peanuts for an extremely uncertain and long road to a greencard like you scholars. It's because of people like you I've no choice but to make bank and get out.
And they wonder why management laugh at us?
Oh btw if you haven't already got your FAA ATP you need to do a CTP (extra 5k) now and unless you have an FAA Commerical it will have a restriction. Good luck getting your regional to pay for all that before they sponsor you but what's another $13000 right?
Last edited by Cz7er; 01-13-2017 at 10:45 AM.
01-13-2017, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Cz7er
Oh btw if you haven't already got your FAA ATP you need to do a CTP (extra 5k) now and unless you have an FAA Commerical it will have a restriction. Good luck getting your regional to pay for all that before they sponsor you but what's another $13000 right?
01-13-2017, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
Regionals here are paying for helicopter pilots who have never flown a fixed wing airplane to get a fixed-wing multi-commerical and then paying them to go through CTP course, so the idea that they wouldn't be willing to pay $13000 to bring a foreigner online isn't too far away...
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