Originally Posted by Navmode

No one ever said that the position of the company wasn't management's fault. Whether or not we've been wronged is irrelevant. If you think comparing ourselves to the financial positions of other companies is apples to apples, then you're just stupid.



$80/day? I'm not sure where you get your information but you're wrong. The 95 hour thing was for 175 initial cadre, so wrong again. With the exception of Certain previous members, no one got rich in a volunteer position. How it works: you bid a line, and if you have Union duties, you drop the trip and are paid your regular rate. If you think the Mec didn't read the ta before voting on it, then you're part of the group I mentioned above. At what point did the Mec represent the interest of the company? Negotiation is a two-way street. If you want something, you give something. You can't have everything the way you want it. Stating that fact doesn't make them condescending.

Another thing, in what was way the resignation of BR condescending? He just said the system clearly works, and that to move forward we need to think with our brains, not our emotions. Emotion is what drives the trailer park mentality that puts stickers on the wall in the crew room. Emotion is what gets every half-wit to buy into the idea that every one of our contract demands is cost-neutral. Would you all rather have someone blow smoke at us and say they're hard at work battling the company, and just never produce a result? Face it, your problem isn't with the MEC, it's with the company (rightly so), and the result of our negotiations. So we got a crap deal.. We voted no.. Great. Do you feel empowered? Do you feel like there's some kind of great leverage change? Voting yes wouldn't have helped the company whether or not you want to believe that; and now the company financed more airplanes, there's less money on the table, so we're most likely going to see a similar deal (or worse) 3-4 years from now.

Originally Posted by Navmode

Not even close. But I guess anyone that disagrees with you must be management or getting rich off the MEC, right?

Originally Posted by Navmode

No one ever said that the position of the company wasn't management's fault. Whether or not we've been wronged is irrelevant. If you think comparing ourselves to the financial positions of other companies is apples to apples, then you're just stupid.



$80/day? I'm not sure where you get your information but you're wrong. The 95 hour thing was for 175 initial cadre, so wrong again. With the exception of Certain previous members, no one got rich in a volunteer position. How it works: you bid a line, and if you have Union duties, you drop the trip and are paid your regular rate. If you think the Mec didn't read the ta before voting on it, then you're part of the group I mentioned above. At what point did the Mec represent the interest of the company? Negotiation is a two-way street. If you want something, you give something. You can't have everything the way you want it. Stating that fact doesn't make them condescending.

Another thing, in what was way the resignation of BR condescending? He just said the system clearly works, and that to move forward we need to think with our brains, not our emotions. Emotion is what drives the trailer park mentality that puts stickers on the wall in the crew room. Emotion is what gets every half-wit to buy into the idea that every one of our contract demands is cost-neutral. Would you all rather have someone blow smoke at us and say they're hard at work battling the company, and just never produce a result? Face it, your problem isn't with the MEC, it's with the company (rightly so), and the result of our negotiations. So we got a crap deal.. We voted no.. Great. Do you feel empowered? Do you feel like there's some kind of great leverage change? Voting yes wouldn't have helped the company whether or not you want to believe that; and now the company financed more airplanes, there's less money on the table, so we're most likely going to see a similar deal (or worse) 3-4 years from now.

Originally Posted by iFlyRC

The last conference call, those exact points were made and not refuted by anyone in the MEC! 80$ day per diem and 95 hour 79 seat pay. His last email was fine, the previous emails weren't, the town hall meetings we were talked down to, the last couple conference calls were! You know the real kicker? Our union was pushing us to sign this piece of crap, to bring it to a vote. The company never said anything either way. Why would we vote on this when all we had to do is wait until we had more leverage? I don't care what financial situation the company is in, industry standard is industry standard, pilots are a commodity, and it is the companies problem to figure out a way to pay market prices for pilots. If we have no leverage right now, then don't waste ours and yours time with this pile of a TA!

Originally Posted by LTdan

Bro it's $80.... Not 80$... Your lack of writing ability is embarrasing, Plus it's melting my eyes. Please stop.

Originally Posted by ScottyDo

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Originally Posted by Sennant

Why is it any time someone points out your wrong you try and blame them as being a union leader. Real simple all schedules can be seen online for pbs awards. You will find every Union volunteer on there and you will see that they all fly and the credit awarded them. Not a single one has a month off and/or getting 95 hours

Originally Posted by ScottyDo

I wasn't talking about the hours or pay but the second half of the post. Basically talking down to everyone telling us we will get even less money now, like we would hear during the road show and e-mails. I mean for reals? lolz