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Old 08-02-2015, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip View Post
A lot of you are missing the point. Just because there will always be a need for smaller airplanes and small city destinations does NOT mean there will be a need for a regional airline.

Instead of a contracted regional partner, the legacies can have RJs, turboprops, smaller airplanes in their own fleet. One interview, one career job.

That's the way I hope to see it go in the future. There will not be a need for a third party contracted feed.
High mainline pay only exists because regional pilots are paid so low. Mainline pilots sold scope in exchange for high pay.
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Old 08-02-2015, 07:03 PM
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High mainline pay only exists because regional pilots are paid so low. Mainline pilots sold scope in exchange for high pay.
Really? Tell me again how pilots were poorly paid in the 60's, 70's and 80's.
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Scope was sold to keep the pensions going, oops!
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Old 08-02-2015, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by use2fly View Post
Yes, and they will still be underpaid.
Legacy carriers with wholly owned regionals will thrive. They will have a pipeline of people signing up with them because of their quick flow throughs in the near future. Maybe seniority numbers give out, if things get tight. New hire regional FOs will flow within 4 or 5 years due to retirement numbers. People will always go to a regional that has a quick flow through to a major. Envoy will be the first "place to go to" once things spool up. Majors without flow throughs will have a tough time attracting new hires for their regionals. Therefore affecting their regional reliability.

Ask a 23 year old 1,500 hour pilot where he wants to start at. They will pick a regional that has a quick flow or seniority number given out, over a quick upgrade at some other regional.
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Old 08-03-2015, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip View Post
Really? Tell me again how pilots were poorly paid in the 60's, 70's and 80's.
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Have you heard of deregulation? Frank Lorenzo? Eastern?
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Old 08-03-2015, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip View Post
Really? Tell me again how pilots were poorly paid in the 60's, 70's and 80's.
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Understanding how the entire airline industry's finances worked under regulation is key to this.
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Old 08-03-2015, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Death2Daleks View Post
Have you heard of deregulation? Frank Lorenzo? Eastern?
Of course. There were some hits in there no question. And many strikes in order to maintain that pay.

However, Pan Am, TWA, American, United pilots were paid handsomely without any real regionals.

Point is, regional pilots' low pay is not the reason mainline pilots get paid well. Saying that is ignorant.
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Old 08-03-2015, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Saabless View Post
Legacy carriers with wholly owned regionals will thrive. They will have a pipeline of people signing up with them because of their quick flow throughs in the near future. Maybe seniority numbers give out, if things get tight. New hire regional FOs will flow within 4 or 5 years due to retirement numbers. People will always go to a regional that has a quick flow through to a major. Envoy will be the first "place to go to" once things spool up. Majors without flow throughs will have a tough time attracting new hires for their regionals. Therefore affecting their regional reliability.

Ask a 23 year old 1,500 hour pilot where he wants to start at. They will pick a regional that has a quick flow or seniority number given out, over a quick upgrade at some other regional.
Woo! Yeaaaa Envoy 15 year flow! Yea, no thanks. I'll take my chances at a place where I can upgrade in the next decade, and isn't shipping off aircraft to other regionals.
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Old 08-03-2015, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip View Post
Of course. There were some hits in there no question. And many strikes in order to maintain that pay.

However, Pan Am, TWA, American, United pilots were paid handsomely without any real regionals.

Point is, regional pilots' low pay is not the reason mainline pilots get paid well. Saying that is ignorant.

I would agree with you. Look at Southwest, for example.
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Old 08-04-2015, 03:20 AM
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It really makes little sense to pay all these regional management types, associated overheads with running a 2nd company, and having to interview twice thus twice the training cost and time spent getting bodies in a seat. Negotiate pay rates for "regional" size planes at mainline if pay is really that big of a deal and combine the two. They'd solve their pilot shortage instantly.
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