NormalAbnormal

That's a little misleading. The DAL pilots don't want to fly it with the proposed pay rates being SIGNIFICANTLY below the current book for the comparably sized 717. Also, the fact it was used by management to try to get the rest of the concessionary TA passed, it became a symbol.

iFlyRC

Try the Bombardier C series

FirstClass

I was being cute....

trip

The C series is on the ropes, Bombardier tried to partner it up with Airbus but after one look at their books they said no thanks. It will take a large order with influx of cash to save the program, who would step up to that plate and possibly become the only large operator of the type?
My money will be on E-jets and MRJ. The wild card is the Sukhoi, if politics can settle down it's a very attractive($$) jet.

FlameNSky

I suppose this answers the question about what United (and Delta) plans on doing to solve their shrinking regional lift. (Bill Kennedy also said as much during the Webinars they had in June) Hopefully, Doug Parker will see the wisdom in what his competitors are doing and follow suit at AA. To a degree, he has already addressed this "pilot shortage" by delaying the S80 retirement fleet. There are many flights done on the S80 and A319 that I used to do on the 50 seater.

BeatNavy

I think MRJ is a lot more at risk than C series. At least the c series has flown and passed the highest risk parts of flight testing. And there are more orders for the c series than the MRJ for whatever that is worth. Also, bombardier produces commercial airplanes already. They know the process. Mitsubishi has a pretty bad record manufacturing aircraft. MRJ also has scope issues. C series fits better into mainline fleet sizes. Just my $0.02.

MasterOfPuppets

A lot of people on this thread are talking about things they know nothing about.

1. As 24/48 said there will be NO scope talk one way or the other. The MEC signed a letter saying we WILL NOT negotiate at all if the company even brings up scope. The company doesn't need to negotiate scope and neither do the pilots. The road to more 76 seaters is clearly spelled out in the current contract.

2. The guy who said his dad showed him proposed rates they are negotiating is lying. The first meeting isn't until next week so no one except the company knows the proposed rates and no one but the NC knows what the pilots numbers are. We already have CS300 rates but that doesn't matter because ONLY the CS100/E190/E195 are considered NSNB aircraft as defined by the UPA.

3. The order of the NSNB isn't even being talked about in the negotiations. There are 5 things that the pilots will vote on:

1. PAY
2. Reserve Rules
3. FRMS (allowing company flexibility on long haul 117)
4. MOU 22 (pay for waiving duty 117 duty times)
5. Longevity restored for pay and other benefits for furloughed
pilots.

So please do not speculate or start rumors about things you know nothing about. Pay attention to the UAL Merger section as it will be discussed in there by people in the know.

saab2000

What's an "RJ"?

"Regional" flying is nothing more than a B or C scale. All the flying that is now done at "Regionals" is flying that was done at a mainline carrier 20-25 years ago.

There's been a brainwashing of the public and of the industry into accepting "Regional" flying as lower level and therefore worthy of lower expectations.

It should all be brought back in house in my opinion. We're seeing the concept of 'regional' flying start to unravel and the airlines are reaping what they've sown WRT pilot pay and career expectations.

People say 50-seaters are uneconomical to be flown at a mainline carrier. I call BS on that.

There's no such thing as 'regional', but there is such a thing as B and C scales and that's exactly what regional flying is, just that nobody calls it that.

FirstClass

Bombardier’s C series aircraft program is going to be cancelled.

Forbes Welcome

deltajuliet

I always thought it was interesting how US carriers never bought aircraft from Sukhoi/Tupolev/Ilyushin post-Cold War. If the economics work out, why not?