N927EV

With the announcement of us keeping the 700s for the remainder of the year, we "grow" to 146 airframes then settle in around 144 through December 2016. What 2017 holds? Who knows. They probably don't even know. It sure beats shrinking to 110-115 like we were originally slated to do.

AdiosMikeFox

They've already been selected, so they'll get in before the door closes in May. No clue how they're going handle the next step. Keep selecting pilots and put them in a pool? Stop selecting pilots until they find out how many are returning to AA, then select into a pool? No idea.

Update-just logged in to the site and looked. They'll select a few more if they make their mark of 60 more before May.

highflyer1980

Yawn. Let me know when management stops violating our contract. Otherwise I really don't care if they even replace all our CRJs and E145s with E175s. It's still a slap in the face and I would not send any buddies over here.

DaCowboys

Just a nicely timed email. Attrition really picked up in Feb. Hope guys made it to greener pastures!

eaglefly

Someone here gets it. Unfortunately, some there still cannot see past their noses or see artfully crafted announcements as what they are that just happen to serve the latest timeline to quiet the gripes.

Multiple new grievances were just filed and the beat goes on and thus it certainly seems the contract remains an "optional" document rejectable on the whims of management. The most recent "announcements" are simply nothing new. I see no revised upgrade projections beyond 205 for 2016 (if you could believe it anyway) and the flow will be lucky to make anywhere near 300 (375 is a joke) based on the Letter T situation. The schedules have no mechanism to make them better and it sure sounds like there's no interest anyway. The announcement of keeping some CRJ's around a little longer isn't likely to improve schedules on the EMB or CRJ which already have such a staffing overage, it's stunning. Of course, once they go, what will be the excuse and claim to support the schedules then ?

I'm sure a new song and dance will be developed to draw the pie-eyed, longing stares of some, but others won't be fooled. Remember, the Summer schedule is approaching (are vacations being cancelled yet ?) and gotta keep the promises coming !

Good Luck, but I've seen this all before.

eaglefly

Read the MEC blast on the meetings. It was an almost identical statement of days gone by, i.e., "we communicated our displeasure, etc., etc...........and we are "cautiously optimistic", etc.,etc.....". Then, in previous fashion, the team reverts back to huddle and then a release of what most already knew about slower CRJ transfer and the release of the delayed upgrade bid that will likely take awhile to move pilots through not changing the past 2016 upgrade schedule one iota.

Bottom line : Nothing really new and mostly an artfully timed, reconstituted blast of the past previously known.

That's what I get out of it anyway.

cr700

You don't even work here. Where would you be getting the MEC blast from anyway? Can you seriously not let it go? Move on. If you are at AA fine, why not just enjoy it and forget about Eagle/Envoy if it's as bad as you claim it to be. I have my suspicions that you really don't work at AA but if you want to hoodwink everyone, then by all means, go ahead. But how about in the AA forum.

A previous poster hit the nail on the head when he mentioned that the CRJ's were staying now through at least the end of 2016. Couple that with the 175 arrivals and what do you have? Growth. Don't think that this scenario wasn't known to management quite some time ago and they planned for and plugged the numbers on upgrade/flow in with this in mind. The plan was, and still is, to flow 375 this year alone. I agree with CA Wilson that the 375 number may need to be adjusted slightly due to Letter T's returning. However, expect north of 300 to flow this year alone and in the end......they have to true up keeping the original 6 year flow intact.

Maybe now you can see why they chose to meter on the flow. It's obvious more airframes are involved than previously planned for in summer 2015. "Charlie Bucket" as you say, is still in good shape and should still plan on things as they were announced last year.

eaglefly

Thanks for yet another chuckle.

RAH has just gone C11 and Charlie Bucket may just have to share some flow slots if AAG plants a wet, sloppy kiss on them. Considering Parker's love affair with 76-seaters, I'd advise Charlie to eat his chocolate while he can.

boiler07

This is the second time you've said this today, and it's simply much more complicated than you're leading people to believe.

The pilots able to participate in the program are clearly identified in the envoy CBA. Can they ignore it? Yes, but that's a rabbit hole we aren't going down right now.

As to a merger, there is really no reason for AAG to want that. It's much easier to transfer those 175s and make the pilots follow on their own at first year pay.

highflyer1980

Would AAG really give RAH pilots flow? Oh lord, if that happens, might as well shut the Envoy doors! Every fresh pilot left would avoid us like it's the Bad News Bears.

Oh wait.....