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Old 03-15-2016, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector View Post
Everyone knows the smartest choice you can make right now is Allegiant! That company is soaring!

Soaring like the Hindenburg.

So nice to have someone with your caliber of judgment-who DOES NOT work at Envoy-come here daily and grace us with your wisdom. The tag-team you do with your hero-who I won't name-is really cute. Keep it up. Of course it's getting more and more difficult to spin negativity about Envoy, isn't it? That's why your tag team partner has been so silent these past few weeks.

Don't worry...it's going to get even more difficult for the two of you pretty soon. Just wait until the next batch of announcements are made...It'll be fun watching you guys attempt to spin it. So fun I'm just sitting back and letting you and your pals post all the drivel you can...It'll just make it all the more sweeter here pretty soon!
If it isn't the Chump patrol teaming up today. Let me guess. You guys are going to tag team today saying things like:

A new hire today can expect to upgrade in 2.5 years and flow to AA in 6.

E175s arriving daily. Envoy looking at getting back flying from RAH, Compass, Expressjet and TSA very soon.

Best regional contract in the industry.

Industry leading flow. Essentially you are an AA pilot from day one at Envoy.

Anybody who disputes any of this is not only the dumbest of the dumb but, we will give you a blanket party for saying bad things about the company we are in love with.
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Old 03-15-2016, 07:23 AM
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^That was weak. Is that the best you got? Take a break...go have some ice tea...come back and try again.
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Old 03-15-2016, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ag386 View Post
A new hire today can expect to upgrade in 2.5 years .... Best regional contract in the industry...

You, the Reverand and Rick Wilson are the only one's making this claim. Everyone, even us cheerleaders have said that this is not realistic. But again, for you to acknowledge that doesn't serve your agenda. How are things going at... Piedmont, isn't it? Or was that a lie, just like your "envoy hire date"?
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Old 03-15-2016, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by FlameNSky View Post
envoy already, right now, as we speak, has airframes sitting idle due to lack of crews. Claiming that they will stop the flow at some future date in order to not have to park airplanes while they have already parked airplanes due to lack of crews does lack substance.

ag386 and his leader the Reverand like to point out past actions by AMR as indicators of future actions by AAG be only when it supports their agenda.
In the past, when aircraft were sitting idle, envoy/Eagle did not hesitate to furlough. Because why pay the salaries and benefits of employees who aren't working? In recent months, however, they chose to do just that. Why is that? And why are they metering the flowthrough due to staffing? And why, when planes are sitting idle, as you say, and they are offering zero- and part-time lines, and many reserves barely fly, is this normally tightwad management team offering retention bonuses? Doesn't make sense, does it? Except that it does. Everybody knows a staffing crunch is coming. In the first 2 months of this year we hired 40 pilots, while 99 left. How long can we keep that up? At some point soon, not immediately but soon, staffing will be become an issue here, just as it is an issue at every regional. At that point, we get to see if this management team, who violates the contract any time they are remotely inconvenienced by it, who hides behind "operational necessity" in every grievance, will honor the flowthrough. I personally think we'll make it just through the 824 before the violations begin, but do you really see them parking expensive, profitable planes some day, just to honor our contract? They aren't willing to delay a single flight or burn through a single available reserve to honor it today.

I think that is plenty of substance.
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Old 03-15-2016, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ORDinary View Post
In the past, when aircraft were sitting idle, envoy/Eagle did not hesitate to furlough. Because why pay the salaries and benefits of employees who aren't working? In recent months, however, they chose to do just that. Why is that? And why are they metering the flowthrough due to staffing? And why, when planes are sitting idle, as you say, and they are offering zero- and part-time lines, and many reserves barely fly, is this normally tightwad management team offering retention bonuses? Doesn't make sense, does it? Except that it does. Everybody knows a staffing crunch is coming. In the first 2 months of this year we hired 40 pilots, while 99 left. How long can we keep that up? At some point soon, not immediately but soon, staffing will be become an issue here, just as it is an issue at every regional. At that point, we get to see if this management team, who violates the contract any time they are remotely inconvenienced by it, who hides behind "operational necessity" in every grievance, will honor the flowthrough. I personally think we'll make it just through the 824 before the violations begin, but do you really see them parking expensive, profitable planes some day, just to honor our contract? They aren't willing to delay a single flight or burn through a single available reserve to honor it today.

I think that is plenty of substance.
You are thinking rationally. Taking what you know management has done in the past and applying it to what the picture looks like in the future.

You'll never get those two guys above on board. I've brought up these same arguments in the past and like a blitzkrieg, these guys and their cronies are right there telling me what an idiot I am for saying such.

Like you, I'm saying it today. The flow is moving along right now, although with a wrench already thrown in by management that has disrupted it a bit. However, as the pilot corps at Envoy shrinks toward that 1600-1700 number, especially with the dismal hiring numbers they are showing, I would not be surprised to see Envoy meter even below the number in the contract. Sure, it's another violation but so what. They already have a stack of contract violations several feet high.

I can guarantee that AAG isn't going to allow Envoy to ship off more pilots that can fly the planes they want them to. That's where you may see the flow get cut down to a trickle. Maybe 5 a month if that's all the new hires they can get. With the crap wages and sorry treatment Envoy is offering, I can't see the few available qualified guys out there flocking to this bottom feeding company. Above it's mentioned that maybe someone should go slumming with Mesa. It's not even funny, but new hires are really slumming it with Envoy as well.
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Old 03-15-2016, 10:04 AM
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Who says airframes are not being used? Source?
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Old 03-15-2016, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by cali2797 View Post
Confirmed... Envoy will put new hires in the 175 next class.
Is that the 3/28 class or the 4/11 class??
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Old 03-15-2016, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Danodano View Post
Is that the 3/28 class or the 4/11 class??
3/28

Filler...
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Old 03-15-2016, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector View Post
Everyone knows the smartest choice you can make right now is Allegiant! That company is soaring!

Soaring like the Hindenburg.

So nice to have someone with your caliber of judgment-who DOES NOT work at Envoy-come here daily and grace us with your wisdom. The tag-team you do with your hero-who I won't name-is really cute. Keep it up. Of course it's getting more and more difficult to spin negativity about Envoy, isn't it? That's why your tag team partner has been so silent these past few weeks.

Don't worry...it's going to get even more difficult for the two of you pretty soon. Just wait until the next batch of announcements are made...It'll be fun watching you guys attempt to spin it. So fun I'm just sitting back and letting you and your pals post all the drivel you can...It'll just make it all the more sweeter here pretty soon!
I walked by the allegiant booth a couple of times at WAI and never saw a single person go up and talk to them. If that says anything...
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Old 03-15-2016, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by N927EV View Post
I walked by the allegiant booth a couple of times at WAI and never saw a single person go up and talk to them. If that says anything...
How about the empty Envoy booths at career fairs across the country? If that says anything....
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