Shiner

To each their own. I've stuck it out for 3 years and will clear 50k with the bonus, have a 15 day off commutable line, and decent benefits. I'm not swimming in cash, but in supporting my family while padding my resume for the next level.

I'm not rushing out to a LCC because AA is my top choice and I'm giving the company the chance to make the flow work. I agree that they will need to make big changes to make it work. I disagree that they will slam the brakes on the flow in an attempt to trap guys here. That won't work, guys like me will bail.

LCC's are dropping their requirements and getting less competitive. I expect that to continue because the majors will hire LCC guys and deplete their ranks. There's plenty of other options if AAG uses the carrot instead of the stick. We'll see which way they go.



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eaglefly

Isn't Pedro running the show there and the guy the "buck stops with" ?

Yes, AAG controls their resources and defines their mission, but Pedro would be the guy to set the tone at Envoy and considering how it sounds as though the pilots are treated, who is responsible for that considering AAG doesn't handle internal day-to-day aspects of Envoy and who could put a stop to it, if he wanted to ?

eaglefly

A lot of pilots will bail anyway as most I think would like to flow, but they won't pass up an offer for mainline equipment with a Jet Blue or Spirit considering the present situation there and that leaves you and others right back to where you are now in the future, that being unless Envoy can bring in more pilots then it loses, they will have to park aircraft at some point to honor the flow, so the question is, will Envoy flow itself into a weaker position or out of business ?

Good luck with that assumption, but also don't forget that the economic advantages of even 76-seaters at some point would be eliminated if pilot compensation were raised too much, so a catch-22 is in action making it difficult to offer too much, or at least enough to truly blunt outside attrition. They are in a real pickle now and a year from now, it will be a downright crisis.

boiler07

Poor Ag always has bad info and misinterprets everything. This is just the latest example.

Mistek89

Why don't all 3 wo just become one , just like endeavor .

PilotJ3

If we are still doing SGF-CLT, that's flying PSA should be doing, not us.

ag386

I'm in agreement that Envoy will only park so many planes. At some point, the crisis arrives. Too many planes for not enough pilots

SkyWago

Actually pdt was supposed to be doing that route but we all know thats not gonna happen.

Cosgr

That's a route that PSA hasn't done before, so it's not like ENY is covering it for us. I think it originates out of DFW and then returns there.

Eaglepilot84

I've heard this statement a lot but I have to disagree 100%. Pedro is the President and CEO of Envoy Air. To say his hands are tied is a compete cop-out. He is responsible for the health of the company and the health of the company is dependent on a multitude of factors, many of which AAG has no hand in. No, it's on him. They won't even negotiate a EFB LOA, which is a zero cost item. This is a perfect indication of the lack of respect management has for it's pilots. You can forget about negotiating anything of value such as changes to our draconian reserve rules or the daily treatment of pilots by crew schedulers. Whether the fault lies with Jane Easton or Ric Wilson, both report to Pedro. Bottom line, it's on him. He needs to go.