cr700

The honest response he wants is nothing like your post. We are now hiring 70 plus per month. The movement that will generate is incredible. You can expect Envoy to hit the 3 year mark on upgrades in 2017. Flows continue unabated. Envoy is absolutely the best career choice you could make. You won't even realize 5 years have passed here and then you'll be at AA.

Realize that this posters response is likely from a bitter and angry person who didn't have the luxury of 2.5 year upgrades and 5 year flows to AA.

Smutter

There's no bitterness, big guy. I just point out what you fail to talk about. While the 2.5 year upgrades and 5 years flow will be great if they happen, why do you leave out the things wrong with envoy? We have the worst Qol out of the WO'S, and just about every other regional. You, like to say suffer for 5 years and you'll finally be happy AA. If that's the case then, AA is the lowest paid, and bottom of work rules. Hopefully that will get fixed in five years but we can't guarantee that. And is that supposed to be the new Norm suffer for five years so you can possibly have a good career in 6 years. If you're so adamant about how easily this will work, tell me, why do we have the 4 and 12 year caps. I, and most of the rest of the company believe that after the 824 we will see huge changes in flow.

One thing you always avoid is the crj, yes we know according to Dick they are leaving starting one a month in April. The schedules on the crj are as bad as it gets 11 days off 80 hours, 12 to 14 days off 72, 73 hours. So if the new hires come to Envoy and get stuck on the crj, life will suck pretty bad for them, as they will be on reserve the entire time starting in April since we will be losing aircraft, and schedules will not get better since we are losing the aircraft. So within one year a new higher may have to do two long terms(3 longterms in 2.5 years if you count upgrade, so that would be 9 months of training in 2.5 years, and three jeopardy events for a new hire).

If I was a new hire and I was offered to see RJ I would walk right out of that class.

It's people like you that are making a lot of the new hires that have been here for a year year-and-a-half pretty ****ed off, they're not seeing any of the benefits you recruiters talked about while they were being hired.

For any of you new hires coming here, please take everything cr700 says with a grain of salt, because he is paid to make things sound great here.

highflyer1980

Envoy has a lot full of used cars for you to buy! Great prices! 6 year financing! Don't worry, you'll never need an airbag. The statistics are relatively low to have a head on collision. It will hurt, but you will hurt for only six years.

Smutter

https://youtu.be/xjxCDEhc0h4

TrinityDawn

Once again, the carrot and the stick. Never mind the horrible quality of life you will have for five years, you will have FLOW! As if those five years of your life you will never get back are meaningless because you will be an AA pilot afterward. Tell me, how much is missing one of your kids grow up from 0-5 worth?

No, you don't get it. I'm HAPPY that a new hire won't have to go through the lost decade at a regional like we did. I'm bitter and angry because of the broken contractual promises, threats to our livelihood during a time of record profits, union busting, and general treatment by management like we're the enemy instead of mutually dependent employees. I'm bitter and angry because management won't admit any responsibility to destroying the morale at this company, or that it has even occurred. I'm happy new hires might have an easier career than we did, but that's due to management destroying the pilot pipeline with low regional wages and the majors now having to gobble up regional pilots due to retirement, not due to management understanding they have disincentivized this career field.

injun21

I took the CRJ ORD on monday. I live in base. I understand I'm going to be on reserve. How many CRJs do we have? Isn't it going to take a couple years before they're all gone? Thanks for the info.

injun21

P.S. Use the new thred

buddies8

Those who still live in the world of management still have not got envoy to 2.5 upgrade and flow in 5 years. Selling that is nothing moye than total bull shi+.


Dicky you here with your training minions trolling again.

Smutter

Living in base will be fine. Just be prepared to do a lot of training in the next 2 years. If DIC gets his way, be gone in a year. He said he wants PSA to take as many as possible per month . I can't remember what the crj count is. They stopped posting fleet size a while ago, because even with aircraft coming back we will shrink fleet wise ( that wouldn't look good for the empire.

Half wing

A flight instructor friend in the pipeline program told me they get their choice of aircraft or base when he goes to Envoy. He wants the 175 in DFW which I know goes senior for new hires. I know seniority goes by age in class so do the pipeline pilots get to bid ahead of the other hires? Maybe he can take a later class and get first pick in the next class? I kind of thought it was the recruiters just selling more snake oil.