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Old 04-01-2016, 07:55 PM
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Let me ask all you contract freakin geniuses this:

Can a displaced pilot be preemptively extended past his original trip release time? I'll even give you the associated language.

"A displaced pilot will be released by the release time on the last day of his originally scheduled trip."

Keep sitting there telling people "-1 point" or "stand up for yourself" when the chief pilot tells you "do it or be disciplined" have fun standing up for yourself.

Continue to live in a dream world where PSA does not violate our contract.
All that means is you don't know the contract, and shame on you. You either be ready to bring it or just keep quiet and do what you are told. You don't need to do a damn thing that a bunch of sellouts are telling you to do. It's either in the book or its not.
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Old 04-01-2016, 07:56 PM
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Oh do you have to have a high post count to be able to read and compare a contract? Let me go post a couple thousand times and then I'll have the forum cred you desire. But the truth won't change.
You need to get to 25 posts before you can address me directly.
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Old 04-01-2016, 07:58 PM
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What if the union doesn't back you?
What are talking about, of course they are going to back you.
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Old 04-02-2016, 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted by idlethrust View Post
A year from now you will be wishing you left a year sooner I'll bet.You're doing exactly what parker wants you to do ,keep providing him cheap lift for the next 10-12 years at his wo's.

Nothing wrong with making a move to better yourself and make more money, fly better equipment, get an additional type rating.

Or stay put and let parker brainwash and pimp you some more.

So many people are being hired by American outside of any type of flow until it's not even funny.If the wo"s aren't able to stay properly staff either some planes will go elsewhere or the so called flow will stop all together or both.

It's only a matter of time.Leave now or wait a year and WISH you would have left now.


What major do you work at?
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Old 04-02-2016, 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by idlethrust View Post
So many people are being hired by American outside of any type of flow until it's not even funny.
This is not true. AA hired only a little more than 100 pilots off the street last year. This year, its only going to be about 300 OTS hires. Take out the slots that go to military, specially connected, and others with "special qualifications" and that leaves us with about 100 off the street position for the average pilot for the entire year. That is a three percent of those seeking employment. Say what you want about PSA flow, its still better than 3%. Going 2017 forward, AA will be back to around 350 - 400 OTS hires, but one will still be competing with thousands of other pilots.
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Old 04-02-2016, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by idlethrust View Post
A year from now you will be wishing you left a year sooner I'll bet.You're doing exactly what parker wants you to do ,keep providing him cheap lift for the next 10-12 years at his wo's.
Nothing wrong with making a move to better yourself and make more money, fly better equipment, get an additional type rating.
Or stay put and let parker brainwash and pimp you some more.
So many people are being hired by American outside of any type of flow until it's not even funny.If the wo"s aren't able to stay properly staff either some planes will go elsewhere or the so called flow will stop all together or both.
It's only a matter of time.Leave now or wait a year and WISH you would have left now.
You're just trolling... Or you're a paranoid alarmist. Either way you should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Old 04-02-2016, 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass View Post
What are talking about, of course they are going to back you.
You think so tough guy? Email contract enforcement and see what they have to say about it.
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Old 04-02-2016, 05:23 AM
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FC, I think you aren't understanding Pagey's posts. If I understand correctly.......Pagey doesn't operate outside the contract, informs CS and CP that the contract is being violated but they don't care. He then goes to the union and gets no backing. Pagey please set me straight if I'M misunderstanding you.
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Old 04-02-2016, 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot View Post
FC, I think you aren't understanding Pagey's posts. If I understand correctly.......Pagey doesn't operate outside the contract, informs CS and CP that the contract is being violated but they don't care. He then goes to the union and gets no backing. Pagey please set me straight if I'M misunderstanding you.
Well of course I operate within the contract. It was more in response to the folks on here who make it seem so easy just to give a "FU I'm not doing that" to the company. The section I mentioned could not be more black and white, yet is violated consistently, and the union allows it. Good luck with something a little muddier.

In this particular case I tried to go to bat for an FO. It didn't work.
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Old 04-02-2016, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by idlethrust View Post
A year from now you will be wishing you left a year sooner I'll bet.You're doing exactly what parker wants you to do ,keep providing him cheap lift for the next 10-12 years at his wo's.
Nothing wrong with making a move to better yourself and make more money, fly better equipment, get an additional type rating.
Or stay put and let parker brainwash and pimp you some more.
So many people are being hired by American outside of any type of flow until it's not even funny.If the wo"s aren't able to stay properly staff either some planes will go elsewhere or the so called flow will stop all together or both.
It's only a matter of time.Leave now or wait a year and WISH you would have left now.
Don't let the door hit you on your ass on the way out.
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