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Old 04-17-2016, 04:02 AM
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Did I miss an award announcement this month? We had an upgrade of 4 offered in Feb, for a March class, and nothing since.


Yes. You did. The 2/9 class
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Old 04-17-2016, 04:03 AM
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............. nearly 4 hours later,.......... DENIED!!! (trip was already picked up by another pilot, SURPRISE, SURPRISE!!)

Again, it's called "stale data".

I finally had one swap approved. And it took nearly 5 hours for this one to "........ Process.......", which happened in the middle of the night.

But the computer geniuses at Sabre say that SAP is working just fine! Let's just say that I disagree.
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Old 04-17-2016, 04:06 AM
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Yes. You did. The 2/9 class
Was that a 2/9 class or a 2/9 award? I don't care when they start. If it was a Jan award for a 2/9 class then I stand corrected.

Edit: splitting hairs is ridiculous. We had double digit upgrade classes consistently the last 2 years. Our upgrade is a now trickle because our growth momentum has been ****ed away.
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Old 04-17-2016, 04:45 AM
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Was that a 2/9 class or a 2/9 award? I don't care when they start. If it was a Jan award for a 2/9 class then I stand corrected.



Edit: splitting hairs is ridiculous. We had double digit upgrade classes consistently the last 2 years. Our upgrade is a now trickle because our growth momentum has been ****ed away.


It was the 1/7 award for the 2/9 class.

I think this is fun lol
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Old 04-17-2016, 05:01 AM
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It was the 1/7 award for the 2/9 class.

I think this is fun lol
You got me. They snuck one in while I was still hungover from New Years. Glad we're having fun this morning.

When to upgrade is a personal choice IF the spot is offered. Most people probably won't be ready at 1.5 years and 1000 hours. There's many benefits to waiting and 3 years isn't necessarily a bad thing. If our upgrade trend continues, upgrade times for late 2014 hires will be 3 years or longer. I say all this knowing that a million things could impact that. Most of those things are beyond ours or the companies control. There are quite a few things the company should have done and could do to keep the upgrade time low, compared to past times. Right now it doesn't look like they are planning on doing anything, so I'm betting upgrade stretches on as we attrite and fail to hire.
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Old 04-17-2016, 05:08 AM
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The bitter sweet part is that we are still hiring. Spoke with a recruiter who told
Me things have picked up since they offered the bonuses and the company is going to ride those until they no longer work. Even if we are only getting 20 /month (they want 40) we are covering attrition plus a small amount of growth. I fully expect the number needed for attrition to grow through the remainder of 2016 and certainly in 2017. I think them taking the flow back from 5 to 2 has rattled some CAs. A lot of people (myself included) don't think the company will abide by the contract if it means gutting their pilot group. So I think you'll see many more of our CAs who would of maybe just stuck around for the flow really make an effort to get out at this point.
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Old 04-17-2016, 05:19 AM
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How many -900s are you expecting that have yet to be delivered? Also what's the story/timeline for getting the rest of Envoy's -700s?
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Old 04-17-2016, 05:20 AM
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The bitter sweet part is that we are still hiring. Spoke with a recruiter who told
Me things have picked up since they offered the bonuses and the company is going to ride those until they no longer work. Even if we are only getting 20 /month (they want 40) we are covering attrition plus a small amount of growth. I fully expect the number needed for attrition to grow through the remainder of 2016 and certainly in 2017. I think them taking the flow back from 5 to 2 has rattled some CAs. A lot of people (myself included) don't think the company will abide by the contract if it means gutting their pilot group. So I think you'll see many more of our CAs who would of maybe just stuck around for the flow really make an effort to get out at this point.
Is my memory serving me correct or don't they have to catchup the people who were held back on the flow by the end of the year?
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Old 04-17-2016, 05:22 AM
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How many -900s are you expecting that have yet to be delivered? Also what's the story/timeline for getting the rest of Envoy's -700s?
I don't know the exact remaining number of 900s to be delivered but maybe 6 or 7? We are being told that the remaining Envoy 700s are being deferred until January 2017. However, unless they start doing something in the next few months to really start getting people to want to come here again then we won't be able to staff them and my guess is they will go somewhere else like AWAC, SkyWest, or Mesa. I've been told that they plan on announcing ORD sometime soon as a recruiting tool to get more commuters interested in this place. But ORD is sort of predicated on our being able to staff and grow AND receive the remaining Envoy 700s that AAG wants transferred. So the company may be playing with fire on that one.
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Old 04-17-2016, 05:24 AM
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Is my memory serving me correct or don't they have to catchup the people who were held back on the flow by the end of the year?
Supposedly. But that would be 8 "extra" CAs leaving right when they are supposedly wanting to open a new base and start taking more airplanes. I'm not so sure they will just let it work the way it is supposed to.
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