1stCivDivPilot

Per the LOA:
They are required to flow 5 (but no more than 8) a month for every MONTH a new pilot position class is offered, not class. At the most they have to flow 60 each year, based on our CA numbers.

Speculation:
The question is are these furlough classes considered "new pilot position" classes since they are including flows or does AA see the flow spots offered as a "bonus" to the flow? Depending on how many months AA offers furlough classes and if AA doesn't consider these classes to be "new position" classes, that's 5 flows each month AA doesn't have to make up for. AA could essentially be viewing this as a chance to get a little ahead of the flow numbers if things need to slow down at their WO to manage the staffing issues.

Just this man's interpretation of the contract and murky view of the crystal ball.

WakeWash

Latest Facebook recruitment video is not just an average line pilot at PSA, but an actual recruiter telling her "story." Just think about that when trying to believe the bs she is telling. They need to get new pilots just barely holding a line or reserve, with student loans to pay to tell their story about how life at PSA is. Not someone ahead of the hiring curve with everything paid for by mommy and daddy.

Slick111

So just fly it (the CRJ) and grieve it?

272922

While SAP has its limitations, if you know how to work around them you can get what you want. I'm bidding about 40% in my current seat and base and managed to get my number 1 choice of line, and after SAP I've got 18 days off next month. And yes, I had multiple denials before I got there.

But you're correct in that new hires won't see that for a while, whereas I've always been round 1 since I got hired.

FlexNinja

To give you "up to date" info, as of this moment, you will not hold CLT out of training. I started first of the year and most of my class is just wrapping up IOE and there are a few that still can not hold CLT yet. They are getting closer, but not yet. There was a vacancy bid just announced with some more openings in CLT, but I dont know how many people above them are trying to get to CLT.

With regards to your reserves flying question, those of us on short call have been getting some trips, but Im not sure if thats just because they are trying to get us consolidated (100 hours). Someone else told me scheduling doesnt care about that, and if you dont remind them when you check in, they will sometimes let you hang out to dry. Otherwise, ive had trips so far. See the other comment someone made about how they use reserves inefficiently, thats a fairly accurate assessment, based on my new guy knowledge.

272922

The company knows how to staff, they're just dragging their feet hoping that, somehow, they won't have to pay what it's going to take to staff.

And yeah, a better base will help; just look at Mesa and their ability to get people to show up. Although that could be coming to a close.

chrisreedrules

From my understanding, PSA management has been more than willing to work with our Union regarding improving things to attract new pilots. It's AAG that doesn't want to cough up any more money. Apparently PSA management has taken ideas to AAG and been stonewalled every time.

WakeWash

This is true. But what can we expect from DP? Former CEO of an LCC, so his mindset is and always will be on keeping things as cheap and low cost as possible. He doesn't care about employees or customers, just $$$. And despite all his lies that say differently, his actions keep showing it. Until he quits drinking (and driving) and sees more clearly, no wholly owned is going to improve by much.

stanthecaddy

AAG also just spent the last 3 years whipsawing PSA snd Envoy to get those hard won concessions at the the WOs. The last thing he wants to do is turn around and raise pay now.

272922

There's what AAG wants to do, and what they're going to have to do, and those are very different things. If they want to be flying a lot of 76 seat aircraft they're going to have to figure out how to compete in this market.