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Old 12-06-2016, 06:08 PM
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All pretty much true with the exception of denver. We have newhires on the list that will hold DEN right out of training. I will say that yes we certainly have issues here. It is total BS this IOCC. But lets be real. All regionals have crap like this. TSA is not the first regional to have screwed up pay, longer upgrades than advertised, and some overall bait and switch. Somehow these days when I state that regionals should go away, I am now the minority in this thinking. Things have certainly gotten better at the regionals. So basically what I am saying is when you cut through the unicorn and rainbow crap some regionals advertise, were all still regionals. Leave one to another and the grass still looks like crap. IMHO
You are right all regionals have problems but man the problems that we have qualified to be crisis, not just a problem we are talking pay, bidding, company violating contract on daily basis the union is not doing a lot or I should say they are doing the best they can but the company is ignoring everything our training schedule being screwed up our regular schedule is messed up, The fact that you can't see your regular schedule for next month until almost the end of the month is messed up, I know you probably have friends at other regionals ask them what are their problems and then bring out TSA problems you will see we are as bad as Mesa, Hell Mesa probably better at least you know not to put your hopes up because the contract on the paper is *******ty ours on papers is amazing comes to put it in effect not even here
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Old 12-06-2016, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverHome View Post
All pretty much true with the exception of denver. We have newhires on the list that will hold DEN right out of training. I will say that yes we certainly have issues here. It is total BS this IOCC. But lets be real. All regionals have crap like this. TSA is not the first regional to have screwed up pay, longer upgrades than advertised, and some overall bait and switch. Somehow these days when I state that regionals should go away, I am now the minority in this thinking. Things have certainly gotten better at the regionals. So basically what I am saying is when you cut through the unicorn and rainbow crap some regionals advertise, were all still regionals. Leave one to another and the grass still looks like crap. IMHO
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Old 12-06-2016, 06:22 PM
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You are right all regionals have problems but man the problems that we have qualified to be crisis, not just a problem we are talking pay, bidding, company violating contract on daily basis the union is not doing a lot or I should say they are doing the best they can but the company is ignoring everything our training schedule being screwed up our regular schedule is messed up, The fact that you can't see your regular schedule for next month until almost the end of the month is messed up, I know you probably have friends at other regionals ask them what are their problems and then bring out TSA problems you will see we are as bad as Mesa, Hell Mesa probably better at least you know not to put your hopes up because the contract on the paper is *******ty ours on papers is amazing comes to put it in effect not even here
Beyond the stupid things that they are letting happen, what's really troubling is the lack of communication from management. They just don't care, especially about us. They even misspelled the email that we use to swap and drop trips, I mean it's such a joke.
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Old 12-06-2016, 09:17 PM
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Beyond the stupid things that they are letting happen, what's really troubling is the lack of communication from management. They just don't care, especially about us. They even misspelled the email that we use to swap and drop trips, I mean it's such a joke.
It's one big incompetent company, all departments are being crippled by either upper management or ******y system from Germany that the German companies don't use because it's Fu**ed up
Trans States Airlines the never ending clown show
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Old 12-06-2016, 09:21 PM
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Old 12-06-2016, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by papa View Post
You are right all regionals have problems but man the problems that we have qualified to be crisis, not just a problem we are talking pay, bidding, company violating contract on daily basis the union is not doing a lot or I should say they are doing the best they can but the company is ignoring everything our training schedule being screwed up our regular schedule is messed up, The fact that you can't see your regular schedule for next month until almost the end of the month is messed up, I know you probably have friends at other regionals ask them what are their problems and then bring out TSA problems you will see we are as bad as Mesa, Hell Mesa probably better at least you know not to put your hopes up because the contract on the paper is *******ty ours on papers is amazing comes to put it in effect not even here
Yes all these things suck. No kidding. But this is actually my second regional. Trust me when I say that yes things suck, but I have seen worse. No I am not making that up either. Again I still maintain that the regionals are better today than they were 5 years ago when I started. And though they are better, they still suck. When I was hired here TSA was the shiny penny. Now its the AA WOs. Just wait, they will be eating crap with us too...again.

And to mister minimumwage, what do you think I am smoking? More to the point, what do you disagree with? Do you think TSA is the worst? If so, why stay? At my last regional things were not very pretty when I left. I had alot of reasons for making a lateral move. But right down to it, it took balls to do what I did. So, again why stay here if its the worst (or close to it)? And still more to the point, why are there individuals out there who think that we should keep regionals around?

But hay, im just one tooth on one cog in this giant machine, if that. Carry on.
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Old 12-08-2016, 07:32 AM
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Yes all these things suck. No kidding. But this is actually my second regional. Trust me when I say that yes things suck, but I have seen worse. No I am not making that up either. Again I still maintain that the regionals are better today than they were 5 years ago when I started. And though they are better, they still suck. When I was hired here TSA was the shiny penny. Now its the AA WOs. Just wait, they will be eating crap with us too...again.

And to mister minimumwage, what do you think I am smoking? More to the point, what do you disagree with? Do you think TSA is the worst? If so, why stay? At my last regional things were not very pretty when I left. I had alot of reasons for making a lateral move. But right down to it, it took balls to do what I did. So, again why stay here if its the worst (or close to it)? And still more to the point, why are there individuals out there who think that we should keep regionals around?

But hay, im just one tooth on one cog in this giant machine, if that. Carry on.
Well said. This is not my first job in this rat race either, and while there are some serious issues here, many that people gripe about are related to regionals in general, not just TSA. The biggest issues here are payroll and IOCC. Every regional has payroll and scheduling issues, but TSAs problems since IOCC exceed anything I have seen anywhere else, and IOCC is a disaster to put it mildly. The company does seem to be interested in fixing the issues but we will see. I don't blame junior FOs for bailing to the American WOs right now. What they are offering is very hard to say no to. However United and TSA are going to have to do something, the market demands it. Don't be surprised if they up the ante on American in the next six months. Will be interesting to see how they do it, but if an airline can't offer a package that includes support while working as a CFI to build time, retention bonuses, and some guaranteed path to a mainline career they are going to struggle to hire (and stay in business) because the market for pilots is going to demand it. Will be interesting to see how United and TSA do this, but they will have to do something. Amercian WOs may be the place to be now, but that will probably change in six months when United/Delta matches what American is doing and ups the ante.
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Old 12-08-2016, 08:33 AM
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Well said. This is not my first job in this rat race either, and while there are some serious issues here, many that people gripe about are related to regionals in general, not just TSA. The biggest issues here are payroll and IOCC. Every regional has payroll and scheduling issues, but TSAs problems since IOCC exceed anything I have seen anywhere else, and IOCC is a disaster to put it mildly. The company does seem to be interested in fixing the issues but we will see. I don't blame junior FOs for bailing to the American WOs right now. What they are offering is very hard to say no to. However United and TSA are going to have to do something, the market demands it. Don't be surprised if they up the ante on American in the next six months. Will be interesting to see how they do it, but if an airline can't offer a package that includes support while working as a CFI to build time, retention bonuses, and some guaranteed path to a mainline career they are going to struggle to hire (and stay in business) because the market for pilots is going to demand it. Will be interesting to see how United and TSA do this, but they will have to do something. Amercian WOs may be the place to be now, but that will probably change in six months when United/Delta matches what American is doing and ups the ante.
Yes IOCC is a total disaster. I agree that what this program has done to us is devastating. I feel that the mid level management is working to rectify the fallout from this crap (KS on down). I dont have much faith in upper management though. Did no body research this program? Did they not consider its limitations? Or did the higher ups see $$$$ in their eyes instead of thinking long term what this would do to us?

I 100% agree that TSA will have to do something big in terms of recruiting and retaining. I feel creativity and money is going to be what it takes. I cannot fault those leaving. My thing is make sure that your doing it for the right reasons, and only those making the jump can determine those reasons.
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Old 12-08-2016, 09:53 AM
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IOCC is a disaster. Now daily open time functions are permanently broken? I agree that mid level management seems to want to fix the problems but upper management seems to have their head in the clouds a bit. I hope the IOCC issues get fixed quickly and rainmaker saves us all a lot of time with payroll.

Rainmaker should:
Allow comparison of actual block versus market time
Show codes that are easy to understand and accurate including 150%,175%, cancellation etc.
Show reroutes and cancellation legs and not have them disappear after the leg is flown or cancelled
Automatically apply min day (reserve and line holder)
Show all credits like taxi credits, customs clearance, etc.
Automate all these functions as long as the proper codes are put in. We shouldn't have to wait until the end of the month to see if the proper codes are put in. If we could look at things daily, it would be much more manageable to recognize.
If IOCC continues to clear trades, drops, and adds in the open time management, rainmaker should have a record of what your original schedule was and what modifications were made with appropriate pay codes.
Make sure that scheduling does input the correct codes.

Am I missing anything else?
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Old 12-08-2016, 01:09 PM
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IOCC is a disaster. Now daily open time functions are permanently broken? I agree that mid level management seems to want to fix the problems but upper management seems to have their head in the clouds a bit. I hope the IOCC issues get fixed quickly and rainmaker saves us all a lot of time with payroll.

Rainmaker should:
Allow comparison of actual block versus market time
Show codes that are easy to understand and accurate including 150%,175%, cancellation etc.
Show reroutes and cancellation legs and not have them disappear after the leg is flown or cancelled
Automatically apply min day (reserve and line holder)
Show all credits like taxi credits, customs clearance, etc.
Automate all these functions as long as the proper codes are put in. We shouldn't have to wait until the end of the month to see if the proper codes are put in. If we could look at things daily, it would be much more manageable to recognize.
If IOCC continues to clear trades, drops, and adds in the open time management, rainmaker should have a record of what your original schedule was and what modifications were made with appropriate pay codes.
Make sure that scheduling does input the correct codes.

Am I missing anything else?
What you are saying about this program on paper sounds amazing almost as good as IOCC sounded back when the company was saying IOCC will be better than saber it will solve the payroll issues, Let me tell you saber can do all the stuff you are talking about but all you need is the upper management to agree on upgrading that system how I know that saber works because my friends at other regionals and legacies use saber and they use it for everything including bidding for those without PBS but the company found that IOCC was free or cheap again the company saving a dime to pay a dollar later on, Now rainmaker may be a good thing and will actually do what you said it will but like any other software out there is edition to it you need to keep adding and updating the software and that's how IT companies make their money based on these updates and extra features is the company gonna bring it online then forget it about and never update it, are they gonna get the version from 2000, unless we see it working we can't say the payroll issue is fixed or going to be fixed because again we heard that with IOCC
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