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10-24-2016, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
But I mean it was negotiated, it was voted on by our reps, and will get voted on by us, and we did get things for it, like industry leading min day credit. But don't let those pesky facts get in the way of your truthiness.
IOCC though....that piece of garbage...
IOCC though....that piece of garbage...
10-24-2016, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by RgrMurdock
Not sure what the opinions are on PBS so far. It's only the first month so things could change. But my results were awesome and I'm not even that senior in base. The 4.25 min day is giving me an extra 5 hours or so of credit. Again, we'll see how the next few months turn out but I think the NC did a great job.
Base shrinkage is out of the control of the company and our pay is actually very good relative the the rest of the industry. We can't compete with the bonuses of the WOs and I don't think any other Non wholly owned company can either. That's just a financial fact. I'm sure they will up the bonuses slightly and increase the first year pay to 40. I'm hoping they will increase pay across the board at least a little bit but CA pay is only behind AWAC and republic. So where's the mediocre pay at?
The CPP that's offered at XJT and CMT may or may not come here. The company is actively trying to get it but there are some roadblocks in the way at UA. Either way, I don't think it's this saving grace that will change the fundamentals at this company. I think only a handful are getting classes per month from the program at the other carriers.
IOCC sucks and there is no denying it. The payroll problems that came out of it are especially disconcerting. The pay memo that came out was a step in the right direction if the third party vendor can deliver. However, I will remain skeptical until we're actually using it and it works.
Base shrinkage is out of the control of the company and our pay is actually very good relative the the rest of the industry. We can't compete with the bonuses of the WOs and I don't think any other Non wholly owned company can either. That's just a financial fact. I'm sure they will up the bonuses slightly and increase the first year pay to 40. I'm hoping they will increase pay across the board at least a little bit but CA pay is only behind AWAC and republic. So where's the mediocre pay at?
The CPP that's offered at XJT and CMT may or may not come here. The company is actively trying to get it but there are some roadblocks in the way at UA. Either way, I don't think it's this saving grace that will change the fundamentals at this company. I think only a handful are getting classes per month from the program at the other carriers.
IOCC sucks and there is no denying it. The payroll problems that came out of it are especially disconcerting. The pay memo that came out was a step in the right direction if the third party vendor can deliver. However, I will remain skeptical until we're actually using it and it works.
I don't think base shrinkage is/was out of the control at all of the company in this instance. We are shrinking in IAD due to lack of pilots and flying going to CommutAir... Flying that was originally offered to us and put off because we were worried about staffing it. Here's an idea... If the company wants growth and the ability to staff it, make us attractive for new hires. This ties to pay....
The mediocre pay here is mainly in the FO side. You're right, the captain wages are competitive. And honestly, the FO wages aren't terrible. They're in the middle of the pack... Hence, mediocre. But why can't we be industry leading or close to it? The executives of Holdings are making boat loads of cash. No, they can't compete and win against mainline wholly owneds if those companies keep upping the pay... But can TSH match what is currently being offered? I would bet yes. Down the road, it may become tough to play ball if the WO'd pay trend continues up.
You're right, CPP is out of the company's hands. And it's not the savor. But it would help a little with new hires. However, because it's out of the company's hands, they should be even more proactive in creating a compensation package to attract new hires here.
IOCC.... Well, it is what it is. But this isn't affecting hires or retention.
Some of the factors are out of the company's hands. But many are not. There was more that could have been done and can still be done.
10-25-2016, 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Future Cpt Kirk
The trial period was voted in by our reps without the pilot group's consent. PBS was overwhelmingly voted down by the pilot group. The main reason.... Payroll. The union has dropped the ball on forcing the company to fix payroll. What good is four hour min day credit if I have to submit piles of pay reports and wait months to by paid correctly? No trial should have happened until payroll was fixed. This is the majority consensus within the pilot group here right now.... Whether the company or union wants to realize that is another story.
10-25-2016, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
PBS and payroll are and have always been completely different things. Plus, you'll get your chance to vote on PBS and other contractual gains after the trial period. We are probably the only pilot group that gets to test run a CBA that includes more days off across the board, better line construction (you can thank the Union for that too), and an industry leading min pay day in the of ALPA. The only negative is you have to use a computer program to bid instead of paper and if you don't like it, you can vote no in a few months. I don't understand at all what you are complaining about.
Like I said, not all complaints from me. Minus payroll, I had a good experience here for the most part. Just don't see great opportunity moving forward. That's all. But I'm not a company basher. Won't do that.
10-25-2016, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Future Cpt Kirk
Well then I think you should talk to the pilot group more. People are not happy we were thrust into PBS while also dealing with the IOCC circus. But people are mostly unhappy that we were given a PBS trial period after voting it down, without pilot group feedback about a trial period, while in the meantime no promise by the union or company has been kept about fixing payroll. Payroll and PBS are two separate things, yes.... But in they are very related to each other right now in the eyes of the pilot group.
Like I said, not all complaints from me. Minus payroll, I had a good experience here for the most part. Just don't see great opportunity moving forward. That's all. But I'm not a company basher. Won't do that.
Like I said, not all complaints from me. Minus payroll, I had a good experience here for the most part. Just don't see great opportunity moving forward. That's all. But I'm not a company basher. Won't do that.
IOCC sux
I would like to know more about the american flying. Especially with Envoy coming back to LGA. And the fact that we sucked big time with performance in the beginning.
10-25-2016, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by frankgh
Hi folks,
I'm thinking of making the jump to 121. I do hear all the negatives about TSA but I'd like to hear from the folks who are there. First me: 1700TT, 22 ME, 38 night. I live in NW Fla and would need to commute. I hear that reserve status would be short (2-6 months) and that TSAs commuter policy is pretty good. I just don't know if I fully understand what that means. Any insight?
I'm thinking of making the jump to 121. I do hear all the negatives about TSA but I'd like to hear from the folks who are there. First me: 1700TT, 22 ME, 38 night. I live in NW Fla and would need to commute. I hear that reserve status would be short (2-6 months) and that TSAs commuter policy is pretty good. I just don't know if I fully understand what that means. Any insight?
10-25-2016, 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
I don't understand at all what you are complaining about.
It's going to be a no vote again unless we get some serious gains. Not throwing away the last leverage we have for possibly another day off from PBS.
Last edited by minimwage4; 10-25-2016 at 10:37 PM.
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