Should I leave ZW for PDT or Commutair?
#21
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I personally don't see AWAC in AA's long term plan. Short term yes, long term....no. OP if you are a relative new hire I would leave in a heartbeat. If you have 3+ yrs in the decision is a little but more difficult.
#22
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None whatsoever, but if you ever wanna visit Philly on the cheap just do a quick interview and they'll give you $100 for the hotel and even fly you out there for free
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Hey guys,
Just exploring my options here, I like my QOL here at AWAC, but the uncertainty that we will continue kills me. I know other regionals out there are offering great things. just want to make sure I am doing the correct thing.
PS: there are a lot of FO's leaving, the month of January 19 left. which means slow upgrade since no one is coming here.
Just exploring my options here, I like my QOL here at AWAC, but the uncertainty that we will continue kills me. I know other regionals out there are offering great things. just want to make sure I am doing the correct thing.
PS: there are a lot of FO's leaving, the month of January 19 left. which means slow upgrade since no one is coming here.
#24
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Hey guys,
Just exploring my options here, I like my QOL here at AWAC, but the uncertainty that we will continue kills me. I know other regionals out there are offering great things. just want to make sure I am doing the correct thing.
PS: there are a lot of FO's leaving, the month of January 19 left. which means slow upgrade since no one is coming here.
Just exploring my options here, I like my QOL here at AWAC, but the uncertainty that we will continue kills me. I know other regionals out there are offering great things. just want to make sure I am doing the correct thing.
PS: there are a lot of FO's leaving, the month of January 19 left. which means slow upgrade since no one is coming here.
#25
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I am an FO with more than 1000 121, I have been there a little over two years, and I am on the top third of the FO list. The fact that I am gaining seniority not by upgrades, but FO's leaving is making me feel like I should to. Unfortunately, PDT will be a huge pay cut. Commut air would be a pay increase with all the bonuses, but a commute to reserve. Someone once told me don't get comfortable at a regional, but with a family to take care off it is hard not to, especially with the killer insurance they have here. Part of me says stick around maybe AWAC will get a flow or by the time this place goes under I will be interviewing at a major or maybe a legacy. The other side says go now, pay dues once again and now wait for ur time or a phone call.
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I am an FO with more than 1000 121, I have been there a little over two years, and I am on the top third of the FO list. The fact that I am gaining seniority not by upgrades, but FO's leaving is making me feel like I should to. Unfortunately, PDT will be a huge pay cut. Commut air would be a pay increase with all the bonuses, but a commute to reserve. Someone once told me don't get comfortable at a regional, but with a family to take care off it is hard not to, especially with the killer insurance they have here. Part of me says stick around maybe AWAC will get a flow or by the time this place goes under I will be interviewing at a major or maybe a legacy. The other side says go now, pay dues once again and now wait for ur time or a phone call.
You are chasing ghosts...based on the time you have in...you will lose ground moving laterally.
#27
He could upgrade at AWAC but what would his QOL be with out much movement? AWAC is top heavy with senior Captains who aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Only people leaving are Junior Captains and Junior FO's.
I'm not saying leave, but you'll have a much better QOL with a company that has movement compared to stagnation.
#28
Flew a flight with PP last week. Next upgrade class will be May... Claims we don't have enough FOs to upgrade more. I really don't know what to believe. Everyday FO RSV Avl is extremely high with little to no Open Time trips. I can get turns dropped without any issue.
They definitely are short CAs looking at the RSV chart and the amount of Jr. Mans I know some guys have been getting. They still seem to be absolutely clueless with recruiting. I mean wake up. He said they are running 2 classes a month. Sounds great, until you hear this last one has TWO and last months were 4 a piece. Given our incredible 100% success rate in our training dept, things are just going great!
As for bailing, (unless your very junior), I don't get it. The numbers aren't BS. 18,000 retirements are happening in just 6 years. Do you honestly think the only way any of us are getting to a legacy (or anywhere beyond RJs) is by absolutely having to have TPIC? Sure right now, as of Feb 2nd, 2016 it probably does help (to an extent), but in 2 years (if we did close he doors)?
Stick to where your QOL is the best. If for some reason it sucks here, sure go ahead. For me, 2.5 years here (not horribly far from upgrade) I'm not bailing. I have great schedules and enjoy it here. The grass isn't always greener.
They definitely are short CAs looking at the RSV chart and the amount of Jr. Mans I know some guys have been getting. They still seem to be absolutely clueless with recruiting. I mean wake up. He said they are running 2 classes a month. Sounds great, until you hear this last one has TWO and last months were 4 a piece. Given our incredible 100% success rate in our training dept, things are just going great!
As for bailing, (unless your very junior), I don't get it. The numbers aren't BS. 18,000 retirements are happening in just 6 years. Do you honestly think the only way any of us are getting to a legacy (or anywhere beyond RJs) is by absolutely having to have TPIC? Sure right now, as of Feb 2nd, 2016 it probably does help (to an extent), but in 2 years (if we did close he doors)?
Stick to where your QOL is the best. If for some reason it sucks here, sure go ahead. For me, 2.5 years here (not horribly far from upgrade) I'm not bailing. I have great schedules and enjoy it here. The grass isn't always greener.
#29
As for bailing, (unless your very junior), I don't get it. The numbers aren't BS. 18,000 retirements are happening in just 6 years. Do you honestly think the only way any of us are getting to a legacy (or anywhere beyond RJs) is by absolutely having to have TPIC? Sure right now, as of Feb 2nd, 2016 it probably does help (to an extent), but in 2 years (if we did close he doors)?
Stick to where your QOL is the best. If for some reason it sucks here, sure go ahead. For me, 2.5 years here (not horribly far from upgrade) I'm not bailing. I have great schedules and enjoy it here. The grass isn't always greener.
Stick to where your QOL is the best. If for some reason it sucks here, sure go ahead. For me, 2.5 years here (not horribly far from upgrade) I'm not bailing. I have great schedules and enjoy it here. The grass isn't always greener.
I agree there will be plenty of hiring however I do believe for awhile PIC time will still be important especially since many of the regional folks will be competing against tons of Military Pilots now getting out and flooding the majors. Seemed like 90% of the interview classes at American were Military Pilots. Then again how many of them will be around also.
If you make a lateral move just make sure it improves your QOL.
But I will say if you make the move NEVER look back.
Good Luck! Sounds like a tough decision.
#30
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Ask yourself what your expectations were when you took the job. Are those expectations still obtainable? What do you know now that you didn't know 2 years ago? Have you looked at the Goject captians announcements that are on here? You must not really want to leave, and just think you should, PSA was hireing street captians this past year and may have been a good fit for yourself.
I say stay until you leave for something you know you want, you'll know, you'll be able to go home to your family tell them you have a plan, even if there is some sort term pain.
I say stay until you leave for something you know you want, you'll know, you'll be able to go home to your family tell them you have a plan, even if there is some sort term pain.
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