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Old 02-01-2016, 06:19 PM
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I personally don't see AWAC in AA's long term plan. Short term yes, long term....no. OP if you are a relative new hire I would leave in a heartbeat. If you have 3+ yrs in the decision is a little but more difficult.
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Old 02-01-2016, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by billyho View Post
Piedmont was in the same boat 5 years ago. Everyone was leaving because of an uncertain future.

Many went to Republic and to AWAC. Now look at them? I guess what I'm saying is you never really know.
Anything new on AWAC Ta? That will give some insight into their future.
None whatsoever, but if you ever wanna visit Philly on the cheap just do a quick interview and they'll give you $100 for the hotel and even fly you out there for free
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Old 02-01-2016, 06:27 PM
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Hey guys,

Just exploring my options here, I like my QOL here at AWAC, but the uncertainty that we will continue kills me. I know other regionals out there are offering great things. just want to make sure I am doing the correct thing.

PS: there are a lot of FO's leaving, the month of January 19 left. which means slow upgrade since no one is coming here.
I think it would be a smart move unless you are very close to upgrade. You can get up to $15000 bonus coming to CommutAir and you will upgrade in less than a year, especially with already having 121 time. You will also have a chance to flow to United if you pass the Hogan and 45 minute United interview.
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Old 02-01-2016, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Jc2016 View Post
Hey guys,

Just exploring my options here, I like my QOL here at AWAC, but the uncertainty that we will continue kills me. I know other regionals out there are offering great things. just want to make sure I am doing the correct thing.

PS: there are a lot of FO's leaving, the month of January 19 left. which means slow upgrade since no one is coming here.
Are you an FO or Captain? How long have you been there?
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Old 02-01-2016, 06:53 PM
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Are you an FO or Captain? How long have you been there?
I am an FO with more than 1000 121, I have been there a little over two years, and I am on the top third of the FO list. The fact that I am gaining seniority not by upgrades, but FO's leaving is making me feel like I should to. Unfortunately, PDT will be a huge pay cut. Commut air would be a pay increase with all the bonuses, but a commute to reserve. Someone once told me don't get comfortable at a regional, but with a family to take care off it is hard not to, especially with the killer insurance they have here. Part of me says stick around maybe AWAC will get a flow or by the time this place goes under I will be interviewing at a major or maybe a legacy. The other side says go now, pay dues once again and now wait for ur time or a phone call.
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Old 02-01-2016, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Jc2016 View Post
I am an FO with more than 1000 121, I have been there a little over two years, and I am on the top third of the FO list. The fact that I am gaining seniority not by upgrades, but FO's leaving is making me feel like I should to. Unfortunately, PDT will be a huge pay cut. Commut air would be a pay increase with all the bonuses, but a commute to reserve. Someone once told me don't get comfortable at a regional, but with a family to take care off it is hard not to, especially with the killer insurance they have here. Part of me says stick around maybe AWAC will get a flow or by the time this place goes under I will be interviewing at a major or maybe a legacy. The other side says go now, pay dues once again and now wait for ur time or a phone call.

You are chasing ghosts...based on the time you have in...you will lose ground moving laterally.
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Old 02-02-2016, 03:02 AM
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You are chasing ghosts...based on the time you have in...you will lose ground moving laterally.
Depends. If you go to a company that has continuous movement you'll be better off. Believe me I know friends at Piedmont that upgraded and were Reserve Captain for 3 years and it SUCKED!! Now with the flow and RJ's coming it's a totally different story.
He could upgrade at AWAC but what would his QOL be with out much movement? AWAC is top heavy with senior Captains who aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Only people leaving are Junior Captains and Junior FO's.

I'm not saying leave, but you'll have a much better QOL with a company that has movement compared to stagnation.
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Old 02-02-2016, 03:08 AM
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Flew a flight with PP last week. Next upgrade class will be May... Claims we don't have enough FOs to upgrade more. I really don't know what to believe. Everyday FO RSV Avl is extremely high with little to no Open Time trips. I can get turns dropped without any issue.

They definitely are short CAs looking at the RSV chart and the amount of Jr. Mans I know some guys have been getting. They still seem to be absolutely clueless with recruiting. I mean wake up. He said they are running 2 classes a month. Sounds great, until you hear this last one has TWO and last months were 4 a piece. Given our incredible 100% success rate in our training dept, things are just going great!

As for bailing, (unless your very junior), I don't get it. The numbers aren't BS. 18,000 retirements are happening in just 6 years. Do you honestly think the only way any of us are getting to a legacy (or anywhere beyond RJs) is by absolutely having to have TPIC? Sure right now, as of Feb 2nd, 2016 it probably does help (to an extent), but in 2 years (if we did close he doors)?

Stick to where your QOL is the best. If for some reason it sucks here, sure go ahead. For me, 2.5 years here (not horribly far from upgrade) I'm not bailing. I have great schedules and enjoy it here. The grass isn't always greener.
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Old 02-02-2016, 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by CAirBear View Post
As for bailing, (unless your very junior), I don't get it. The numbers aren't BS. 18,000 retirements are happening in just 6 years. Do you honestly think the only way any of us are getting to a legacy (or anywhere beyond RJs) is by absolutely having to have TPIC? Sure right now, as of Feb 2nd, 2016 it probably does help (to an extent), but in 2 years (if we did close he doors)?

Stick to where your QOL is the best. If for some reason it sucks here, sure go ahead. For me, 2.5 years here (not horribly far from upgrade) I'm not bailing. I have great schedules and enjoy it here. The grass isn't always greener.
I agree if your QOL is good then stick it out. When I was at PDT and everyone was bailing I was still happy living in base. 5 minute drive to the airport, living on the water, friends with boats. Life was great, why mess that up? Instead on chasing another airline for an upgrade ask yourself are you 'happy'. Like my father said, 'don't mess with happy'. Now if you're not happy at AWAC then that's a totally different story. Believe me I know what it feels like to be flying with a bunch of pilots that are 'gloom and doom' and it can be frustrating. Don't let those folks get you down, you only have yourself to make happy.

I agree there will be plenty of hiring however I do believe for awhile PIC time will still be important especially since many of the regional folks will be competing against tons of Military Pilots now getting out and flooding the majors. Seemed like 90% of the interview classes at American were Military Pilots. Then again how many of them will be around also.

If you make a lateral move just make sure it improves your QOL.
But I will say if you make the move NEVER look back.

Good Luck! Sounds like a tough decision.
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Old 02-02-2016, 04:59 AM
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Ask yourself what your expectations were when you took the job. Are those expectations still obtainable? What do you know now that you didn't know 2 years ago? Have you looked at the Goject captians announcements that are on here? You must not really want to leave, and just think you should, PSA was hireing street captians this past year and may have been a good fit for yourself.
I say stay until you leave for something you know you want, you'll know, you'll be able to go home to your family tell them you have a plan, even if there is some sort term pain.
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