Should I leave ZW for PDT or Commutair?
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Should I leave ZW for PDT or Commutair?
Hey guys,
Just exploring my options here, I like my QOL here at AWAC, but the uncertainty that we will continue kills me. I know other regionals out there are offering great things. just want to make sure I am doing the correct thing.
PS: there are a lot of FO's leaving, the month of January 19 left. which means slow upgrade since no one is coming here.
Just exploring my options here, I like my QOL here at AWAC, but the uncertainty that we will continue kills me. I know other regionals out there are offering great things. just want to make sure I am doing the correct thing.
PS: there are a lot of FO's leaving, the month of January 19 left. which means slow upgrade since no one is coming here.
Last edited by Jc2016; 02-01-2016 at 02:03 PM.
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Are the people leaving making lateral moves?
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How do you know 19 FO's left?
2016 is going to be a big year for hiring at the major. I would expect to see a lot of movement at all regionals.
2016 is going to be a big year for hiring at the major. I would expect to see a lot of movement at all regionals.
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I would in a heartbeat for many reasons.
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I can't say they are, I know a couple that had in the past though. the monthly resignation list says that more Fo's are leaving than captains.
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The 19 FOs resigning comes from our crew availability page. And there's a separate part for training failures. I know a few that have made lateral moves to other regionals. If you're near 1000 SIC, I see no reason not to move to another regional with a quick upgrade and growth.
There are already at least 2 FOs and 4 Captains that have resigned this month. The total seniority list has shrunk by 50+ pilots since September.
There are already at least 2 FOs and 4 Captains that have resigned this month. The total seniority list has shrunk by 50+ pilots since September.
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AWAC to PDT
The 19 FOs resigning comes from our crew availability page. And there's a separate part for training failures. I know a few that have made lateral moves to other regionals. If you're near 1000 SIC, I see no reason not to move to another regional with a quick upgrade and growth.
There is already at least 1 FO and Captain that resigned this month. The total seniority list has shrunk by 50+ pilots since September.
There is already at least 1 FO and Captain that resigned this month. The total seniority list has shrunk by 50+ pilots since September.
PDT is a small airline with major issues in training now; not unexpected given their attempt to grow and get into the jet business with the 145:
Top talent is leaving/has left for Mainline via flow.
Others are moving to the jet.
Remainder of an overloaded training dept is trying to absorb new hire FOs, upgrades to left seat, and CQ student load. New hires are waiting months, not weeks, to even start sims. The Dash is a labor intensive airplane to learn; just the way it is, but end result is the recruiting numbers and tng dept production numbers do not match. Late Jan I talked to an 8/17 new hire who was still on SOE.
I understand AWAC as a non-wholly owned may have an uncertain future, but you may be better served by going to Envoy or PSA, both wholly-owned, both with a flow to AA, and both fly jets. PSA with their RJs (including inbound 900s), would be a simple conversion for you. Best of luck in your decision!
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Stay at ZW until you know what "the end" looks like, or if it's even real. The economy is sliding right now... You don't want to get stuck somewhere you don't want to be. Or maybe AA buys ZW and you end up at PDT anyway, but with your seniority intact. Very unlikely you'll just end up on the street, and even if they did just close up shop, you'd be looking at exactly what you're looking at now. In my opinion, there's nothing to gain. Don't be the whipsaw. Dont do something you may regret immediately.
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Stay at ZW until you know what "the end" looks like, or if it's even real. The economy is sliding right now... You don't want to get stuck somewhere you don't want to be. Or maybe AA buys ZW and you end up at PDT anyway, but with your seniority intact. Very unlikely you'll just end up on the street, and even if they did just close up shop, you'd be looking at exactly what you're looking at now. In my opinion, there's nothing to gain. Don't be the whipsaw. Dont do something you may regret immediately.
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Agreed. This is like waiting until the end of a concert to leave. Everyone else is going to be trying to make the same lateral moves you are.
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